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Oh, Beethoven again, good, in the end, Beethoven's violin concerto is the King among violin concertos  
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So let's start with Beethoven right away. Why not, today is Beethoven's birthday !!!  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-12-16
12:22:35
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If anyone wants to add further versions, he can always add them down the end of the list.  
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limage,  
 
Are you asking for trouble ? I really want to add "a few more" into the list but here's less than half of my 4-Seasons collection. Do you really want to go through each and every one of them ??? :-)  
 
 
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cpsjj
09-12-16
12:14:25
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I think we can discuss one violin concert at a time, as you know CP may have 150 versions of Beethoven violin concerto and 200 versions of Brahms violin concerto.
CKM
09-12-16
11:58:13
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Wow, your list is staggering. It's good enough for a year, if we are lucky!  
 
limage
09-12-16
11:52:28
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Since we have a hot discuss on violinist, how about we choose a violin concerto and discuss our favorite version?  
 
Let us have a vote, which violin concerto would you like to discuss:  
 
Beethoven Violin Concerto ---------------------------------------------1 vote  
Brahms Violin Concerto  
Bach Violin Conceros  
Mozart Violin Concertos  
Paganini Violin concerto no.1  
Mendelssohn Violin Concerto  
Tchaikovsky violin concerto  
Bruch Violin concerto no.1  
Glaunzov Violin Concerto  
Sibelius Violin concerto  
Prokofiev violin Concerto No.2  
Elgar Violin Concerto  
Dvorak Violin concerto  
Shostakovich Violin Concerto No.1&2  
Bartok Violin concerto  
Alban Berg Violin Concerto  
Barber Violin Concerto  
Wieniaski Violin Concertos No1&2  
Symanowski Violin Concertos No.1&2  
Vivaldi Four seasons -----------------------------------------------------1 vote
CKM
09-12-16
11:01:55
回覆 (265): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Oh, Beethoven again, good, in the end, Beethoven's violin concerto is the King among violin concertos.
CKM
09-12-16
10:56:32
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Limage sorry miss your post and Vivaldi's foru season is exactly the one I have miss in my long list.  
 
Let us start with Vivaldi's four season.
CKM
09-12-16
10:54:50
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Let's start from B then, i.e. Beethoven. Why not?  
 
limage
09-12-16
10:54:05
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Since we have a hot discuss on violinist, how about we choose a violin concerto and discuss our favorite version?  
 
Let us have a vote, which violin concerto would you like to discuss:  
 
Beethoven Violin Concerto  
Brahms Violin Concerto  
Bach Violin Conceros  
Mozart Violin Concertos  
Paganini Violin concerto no.1  
Mendelssohn Violin Concerto  
Tchaikovsky violin concerto  
Bruch Violin concerto no.1  
Glaunzov Violin Concerto  
Sibelius Violin concerto  
Prokofiev violin Concerto No.2  
Elgar Violin Concerto  
Dvorak Violin concerto  
Shostakovich Violin Concerto No.1&2  
Bartok Violin concerto  
Alban Berg Violin Concerto  
Barber Violin Concerto  
Wieniaski Violin Concertos No1&2  
Symanowski Violin Concertos No.1&2  
 
CKM
09-12-16
10:48:51
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THE FOUR SEASONS by Vivaldi  
 
 
1. Decca - Stuttgart Chamber / Munchinger  
3/3 limage  
 
 
 
2. Royal Academy - ECO / Menuhin  
4/5 limage  
 
 
 
3. DG - Berlin Phil / Karajan  
5/3 limage  
 
 
 
4. Argo - ASMF / Marriner  
4/4 limage  
 
 
 
5. Philips - ECO / Szeryng  
2/3 limage  
 
 
 
 
N.B.  
Ratings are from 1, the lowest to 5 the highest. The 1st number is for performance and the 2nd denotes recording quality.  
The list may go on and on as more people join in, and people can copy and then paste their votes on the appropriate recording, the same way as we do with yumcha registration. If anyone wants to add further versions, he can always add them down the end of the list.  
 
 
limage
09-12-16
10:44:36
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For an easy start let’s have something lighter first: The Four Seasons by Vivaldi.  
 
I have only 5 versions in my small collection.  
 
4 Seasons  
Four Seasons  
 
After spending a little more than 3 hours running through each of them, here is my view.  
 
limage
09-12-16
10:43:02
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To make life easier, I have come up with a simpler rating form:  
 
Ratings are from 1, the lowest to 5 the highest. The 1st number is for performance and the 2nd denotes recording quality.  
 
The list may go on and on as more people join in to cast their votes, which is nothing more than copying and pasting their votes on the appropriate recording, the same way as we do with yumcha registration. If anyone wants to add further versions, he can always add them down the end of the list.  
 
When the contest ends, all we need is to add up all the scores for each recording. The one with the highest score wins. Simple, isn’t it?  
 
 
limage
09-12-16
10:36:13
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Morning CKM, nice to see you fit as a fiddle now!  
 
limage
09-12-16
10:35:02
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Limage,  
 
Sorry for my absence in this few months, as I have to train up myself to prepare for various tennis tournament, train up my son so that he could speak better, and train up my wife so that she could handle the ever challenging motherhood role.  
 
It is the right time to set wheel roll again.
CKM
09-12-16
10:29:20
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古典音樂版本比拼擂台  
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This title, which has been brilliantly conceived by CKM, has in fact several significant features that must not be taken too lightly.  
 
Classical Music, although large in terms of quantity, is not growing as rapidly as other musical genre can be. As a result, the same old piece of music would have many different recordings by different people in different periods of time. To make comparisons, we have to run through each and everyone carefully. Through this process, we'll be drawn, not only deeper into the music, but possibly because of the diverse perspective opening before us, a little closer to the composer as well.  
 
Personal feelings and reactions to a piece of music is essentially subjective. You just like it and you don’t even have to give reasons to justify or otherwise rationalize your preference. While everyone is absolutely free to express his own feelings, it will be enlightening, nevertheless, to know just what other music lovers would think about the same piece of performance, in terms of interpretation, presentation, recording quality, or any other factors that may have escaped our notice. In this respect alone, collective assessment plays a fairly constructive part if we are to know not only the music, but our own scope of appreciation through a more objective approach. Instead of having individuals describing his/her appraisal of a particular recording, this thread has the additional advantage of pooling our resources together, on one piece of music after another, encouraging inter-action along the way.  
 
The primary purpose of this arena is not to say how good or bad one performance is against another by a number of levels. This can easily, as Ben points out quite rightly, degenerate into clamorous insult on the performers, whether soloists or conductors. No, the purpose is none like that. The rating should rather reflect personal preference and you don’t even have to give reasons for your choice. When summed up, these preferences become meaningful recommendation. Judging by the general caliber of mentality among members of this thread, collective recognition and individuality may certainly co-exist without much difficulty. While it is not scrupulous to freely slight anyone’s artistic performance, it is by no means inappropriate for us to express popular adulation over truly outstanding recordings.  
 
New comers to classical music are often bewildered by the enormous collection available and more often than not, they are tempted to pick their choice by the design of the record sleeve that catches the eye most. The irony of the truth is, I am sorry to say, that the best performance usually does not come with the most attractive jacket since it needs nothing of that kind to bolster sales. As such, our rating results will therefore be a valuable reference to friends who are new to the classical repertoire. It saves them a lot of time, effort and money.  
 
We all read recording reviews. Some are creditable, many are not. With this thread free-wheeling forward, I believe we could have something accomplished, something that is meaningful as well as useful to all classical music lovers, young and old.  
 
Ladies and Gentlemen,  
 
How about setting the wheels in motion again?  
 
 
limage
09-12-16
10:10:49
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CKM  
 
The following chinese review is written by Mr Suen at Muzik magazine from Taiwan, the writer himself is a proficient violinist at string quartet. As a music layman, I can't really write that kind of article.  
 
Partially agreed with you that he adopts a rather slow tempo and humble approach, yet we could not deny how great he transmits thoughtfulness, expressive power, concentration and command of the nuances of phrasing, combined with an overarching sense of structure. His accurate intonation really impresses me from start to finish, when a violinist like him could play the pitch perfectly, then he can have good command to express his own thoughts freely devoid of technical hindrance. For Brahms violin concerto, I like readings of Heifetz, Milstein, Oistrakh and Kogan simultaneously, there is no such absolutely musical correctness in interpretation.  
 
Znaider may not be the class of Earl Gray, but his reading also can be my Lipton which I occasionaly come back to drink.  
 
George1977  
 
george1977
09-08-10
10:08:40
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George,  
 
Thank you for your review.  
 
I think overall Znaider is taking tha piece at a slow tempo and a gentle humble approach which I don't found it convincing, anyway a brief listening would give you the impression and is better than a thousand words.  
 
 
Chan Kai Ming
CKM
09-08-08
18:36:38
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It seems that the editor of Muzik, the only classical music magazine, favours the Znaider's reading and techique  
 
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齊奈德演奏布拉姆斯小提琴協奏曲  
布拉姆斯的絕讚演出  
 
文:孫家璁  
 
Brahms & Korngold:Violin concertos  
Nikolaj Znaider, violin / Valery Gergiev, conductor /Vienna Philharmonic  
88697103362.索尼音樂  
2009.67:33  
 
布拉姆斯並不會演奏小提琴,然而在他的創作中,小提琴音樂卻留下了很重要的部份,像是三首寫給小提琴與鋼琴的奏鳴曲、為小提琴和大提琴及樂團所寫的雙重協奏曲、還有數首鋼琴三重奏曲、弦樂四重奏、五重奏等,當然更不用提他的D大調小提琴協奏曲,這是古典音樂史上最重要的創作之一,也是研究小提琴音樂的人,所不能錯過的必聽曲目。  
 
或許是他並不懂小提琴的演奏技巧,他在創作這首音樂時,時常要依靠演奏小提琴的好友姚阿幸給他意見,最後終於寫成時,卻又遭到同時代其他的演奏家們所批評,認為是不可能被演奏的音樂。好在時間終於還給他清白,讓這首曲子找到了它的不朽地位。  
 
然而,布拉姆斯的小提琴協奏曲在當時所遭到的批評,與寫作時遇到的困難,間接地反映出了此曲的兩大特色:一是布拉姆斯在創作時並不刻意的去考量小提琴演奏的限制,而以整體創作的概念下去編寫,所以這首樂曲在演奏時獨奏者除了要顧好自己的部份外,還要和樂團有很好的搭配。這種搭配不是只在音符和節奏上,也是在感情的交流上。像是在第二樂章一開始的主奏,交由雙簧管來演奏之後,小提琴以回應的方式進入樂曲,兩者之間必須要有很好的對應,否則緊密感就會不夠強烈。再來,布拉姆斯時代的演奏家認為這首曲子寫得太難,不適合演奏,也反映了這首曲子在演奏技巧上的難度。和與它齊名的另外三首小提琴協奏曲:貝多芬、柴科夫斯基和孟德爾頌的作品相比,這首曲子在拉奏上的難度是最高的,左手把位的變化對演奏家來說挑戰很大,第三樂章中幾段快速的上行音階,即便是一流的演奏家,也時常會出現音不準的情況,也增加了這首樂曲的傳奇性。  
 
齊奈德在前年第一次的MUZIK唱片大賞中,以三首布拉姆斯的小提琴奏鳴曲獲得大家的一致好評,拿下銀牌獎,老實說我個人當時感到有點意外,因為我早先聽過他的現場演奏,並沒有特別被感動,反倒是在錄音中,才讓我感受到他身為伊莉莎白女王大賽首獎得主的威力。而這次布拉姆斯小提琴協奏曲的錄音中,一樣也有此種情況。他在這張專輯中的錄音,不論是在演奏技巧、音色的表達、對於樂句的掌握和整個氣氛的拿捏上,都只能說是無可挑剔。和之前奏鳴曲的錄音所不同的是,這次他在演奏中可以聽到在把位的變化上,有顯著的滑音效果,然而卻不會讓人覺得造作,反而增添了此曲中的浪漫氣息,面對困難的樂段時,他也能從容不迫的拉奏,不只呈現出表面的音符,也表達了音樂的內涵。  
 
若是非得要吹毛求疵一下的話,那就是他的表現太搶眼,反而蓋過了樂團的部份,減少了協奏的味道(葛濟夫和維也納愛樂其實也表現的可圈可點)。不過即使如此,能聽到獨奏家這麼精彩的演奏,或許也真的是太過吹毛求疵了。  
 
 
 
http://www.muzikco.com/music_commend/content.php?id=307
george1977
09-08-07
17:01:14
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Morning CKM,  
 
For Brahms, I turn to Isaac Stern, who plays with great insight and dedication,  
with Eugene Ormandy conducting the Philadelphia Orchestra.  
 
limage
09-08-02
10:07:38
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Minpin,  
 
Thank you for your response.  
 
Incidentally listened to any version of Brahms Violin Concerto by Szeryng and Haitink last night.  
 
I am sure limage would admired at the sound quality of this analog recording. However, I found Szeryng Violin technique fall short of the high standard set by the great violinist like Heifetz, Milstein, Oistrakh, Kogan or Repin, Szeryng sound labored when he played those scales while all the great violinist mentioned played brilliantly and effortlessly, although Szeryng played with a silvery tone, his shortcoming make his version pale in front of the great version mentioned.  
 
 
 
CKM
09-08-01
19:45:21
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Brahms Violin Concerto  
Vadim Repin/ Riccardo Chailly/ Gewandhausorchester Leipzig  
 
You may wish to take a [email protected]@K here :-)  
 
http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Violin-Concerto-Double/dp/B001JCZXSM
Gingers
09-08-01
19:20:20
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Brahms Violin Concerto, 小提琴家Vadim Repin伙拍Riccardo Chailly/Gewandhausorchester Leipzig
Gingers
09-08-01
19:18:51
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CKM  
 
I also bought both CDs, and Repin's is also my preference (like you said, Chially's accompany is a key reason).  
 
Nevertheless, Znaider's recording has many many brillant moments, and his tone has a very unique sweetness. I actually like Znaider very much and his Brahms violin sonatas recording is a real gem amongst recent recordings. You're right that his partnership with Gergiev doesn't sound "moving" and it is unfortunate that the many isolated flashes do not "gel" together. He did give a very powerful live account of the Brahms with the LPO in Hong Kong (when the chin-rest of his violin fell off at the end of the first movement!). In any case, the most memorable account of a live Brahms was last year's Midori's performance at the City Hall - she simply got it all!  
 
Minpin
minpin
09-08-01
18:57:42
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Vadim Repin  
 
Heard his Beethoven violin concert with HKPO few years back. The most impressive Beethoven I heard live.
kh33
09-07-31
17:26:30
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二十一世紀的小提琴大師  
網誌分類:Brahms | 網誌日期:2009-07-31 09:38  
過去两個月沉醉於網球運動,和各路高手切磋比併,玩得不亦樂乎。還弄得身心疲累,聽音樂十分鐘不到,己倒入夢鄉。但要是找到真正精彩的唱片,還是要洗耳恭聽,聽得滿足,心情興奮。  
 
這張令我一聽再聽的唱片就是最新推出的Brahms Violin Concerto, 小提琴家Vadim Repin伙拍Riccardo Chailly/Gewandhausorchester Leipzig,還附上和Mork 演奏的雙重協奏曲。Brahms Violin Concerto 一直是我心中至愛的小提琴協奏曲,既有優美的旋律,又有像交響曲一樣宏大的氣格。有些人會覺得Brahms 艱澀難明,但其實每曲都精妙無比,篇幅不長但短短樂句已融會了古典甚或巴洛克時期的賦格對位技巧,百聽不厭。另外Brahms 的音樂大多都是純音樂,不能以意象或視覺形容,只能用耳用心感受。  
 
其中第二樂章的慢板更是動人心沁,是我最愛的旋律之一。第一樂章氣勢迫人,第三樂章跳脫生動,也是小提琴家的試金石。  
 
回想第一次聽這曲,是糊裹糊塗買到的,由大師Issac Stern 和Ormandy 演奏,之後收集版本眾多,計有:  
 
Heifetz /Reiner  
 
Milstein / Fistoulari  
 
Milstein/Abbado  
 
Kogan / Kondrashin  
 
Kogan / Brucks  
 
Oistrakh/Franz Konwitschny  
 
Oistrakh/Klemperer  
 
Oistrakh/Szell  
 
Oistrakh/Kondrashin  
 
Stern/Ormandy  
 
Grumiaux/Colin Davis  
 
Syeryng/Haitink  
 
Vengerov/Barenboim  
 
Bell/ Ashkenasy  
 
Julia Fischer/ Kreizberg  
 
Shaham/Abbado  
 
聽來聽去,也是覺得Heifetz 是難以超越,精準的弓法,火熱的揉弦只此一家。  
 
最近新收到Repin/Chailly 這個新版,令我驚嘆不已,從前對Ricardo Chailly指揮不大重視,但在這錄音中他捧下的Gewandhausorchester Leipzig 音色厚重,短短引子已顯功架。但Repin 的小提琴演奏實在是精點所在,Repin 運弓扎實,音色優美,揉弦飛快熱情,第一旋律與第二旋律都奏得優美動人,發展部那一連串的音階一揮即就,一氣呵成。第二樂章那優美的旋律也是令人動容。第三樂章技巧完整,多麽困難的樂段在Repin 手中聽不出一絲羞澀。這實在是十分出色演奏。Repin應是近十年錄音中最出色的演奏。  
 
同時收到是Znaider/Gergiev 的最新錄音,明顯比下去,Znaider 音色呆板,造句斷斷續續,Gergiev 也奏不出氣勢,令人失望。  
 
試聽:  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rJ1hIlhj24  
CKM
09-07-31
12:26:35
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Hi erictang  
 
Yes, it is a pair of FD II stands :-)  
 
 
 
Gingers
09-06-28
21:32:31
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Hi Gingers,  
 
Thank you for your hospitality. Its my first listening to Leak. I'm always amazed by the wide soundstage of LS3/5a, from a box with unbelievable size. Is the stand Foundation Designer II ?  
 
Its my pleasure to meet new friend Wor Hing and lym, a photo freak, the father of Pizza (is his cat named Pizza??)  
Mr. Bin, a classical fans  
Albert, my main hifi supplier, the one who enlighted me to ebay where I lost my first time to a Linn Ittok, it is now replaced by a SME V, a good looking arm to me at this price range. Once, I nearly take his cello. See what's next....  
erictang
09-06-28
11:18:17
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lym, Albertino, Mr Bin, Wor Hing and erictang  
 
 
Thanks for coming yesterday.  
For the above classical lovers, no more Tung Lai and we did have a small 古典音樂版本比拼擂台 including the violin concertos of Tchaikovsky & Beethoven, Four seasons......... and other classical records.  
 
This was the first time erictang coming  
Hope my Leak TL/12 Point One + LS3/5A set up did not let him down :-)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Gingers
09-06-28
08:42:03
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his don't need to tell every thing to Dan Brown  
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No, he didn't tell anyone. But he has become such a celebrity and Dan Brown is only one of the posthumous papparazzi.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-18
00:03:09
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' Fans aside, only Mary Magdalene made out with Jesus. I didn't make this up, that's what Dan Brown said!. Have you not read Da Vinci Code? :-) '  
 
Well,Jesus has his own little secrets,his private personal life, his don't need to tell every thing to Dan Brown.
kh33
09-05-17
23:47:30
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Hi BenYC,  
 
I can finally recall it is the following pieces trigger me to learn violin:  
Vivaldi: L'estro Armonico Op.3 no.10 RV 580  
F Seitz: Pupil's Concerto No. 4 3rd movement  
 
I've listened to the playing of my 姨甥 (now 師兄) through his computer video one or two weeks before my 拜師學藝.  
Is the Seitz funny?  
Is my intention strange enough?  
.....  
 
To me, adult learners are kind of 痴痴呆呆坐埋一抬 (希望大家不會覺得冒犯), and I'm the obvious one otherwise they won't be that number of 無厘頭 questions again.  
 
erictang
09-05-17
23:45:39
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Hi CP,  
 
Thank you for your comment.  
 
Perhaps it is inappropriate for me to put the conversation in web.  
During the short conversation, there is no example quoted to support each of his argument. Furthermore, my below average intelligence may have twisted the meaning of my teacher.  
 
After all, I still have a lot to learn from him. Though I must admit he is a subjective person.  
 
For me, a beginner at the age of more than a master, playing violin is for fun only. Maybe one day, all the notes from one or two Sonata by Handel ..etc.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2cSecgLIOM&feature=related
erictang
09-05-17
23:43:22
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Curious. Eric, are your taking violin lessons now? (Or another instrument?)
BenYC
09-05-17
23:29:44
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I guess Jesus has plenty of lady fans, Magdalene is only one of them.  
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kh,  
 
Fans aside, only Mary Magdalene made out with Jesus. I didn't make this up, that's what Dan Brown said!. Have you not read Da Vinci Code? :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-17
22:47:05
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erictang,  
 
I think your teacher is kind of 無厘頭 as well. Apparently he/she knows nothing about hifi nor recording. There is a growing number of musicians in classical music who follows the trend of insisting that their recordings should not be edited. They'd rather played a numerous times to achieve their "perfection" but not a note should be tampered by the recording engineer.  
 
Female violinists do not play any different to male violinists. Such notion that they play differently is discriminatory. There was a famous test in the 60's in US that involved music critics, layman audience, eminent conductors, musicians and conservatory professors alike in blind tests whether they could identify female pianists to male pianists. The result was negative despite there was a higher percentage of accuracy in identifying individual pianists like Baucherer or Rubinstein because of their particular sonority. In fact all pianists or violinists play differently. In the past they developed their individuality. Sadly modern musicians are trained all the same in the conservatories and they come out devoid of an individuality, desperately creating their own in the competitive commercial world of virtuosos thus creating all those 古怪 styles that you referred to.  
 
I think anyone who doesn't know what he is talking about but give such authoritative comment is irresponsible. Time to change a teacher. :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-17
22:34:11
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Yesterday, I have another set of無厘頭 questions to my teacher, they are less 無厘頭 than those last week. :-)  
 
My questions:  
I find some hifi can replay quite well.  
 
Recent violinists like Hahn (D 聲 un 吓un 吓) , Vengerov (琴姿古怪) are always “古古怪怪” to me. I prefer those old ones, like Ferras.  
 
His replies:  
粒粒音都拾過,梗好聽格。現場唔同,唔會係咁。  
 
Female violinist plays differently, and Hahn’s playing is not very “different” indeed. Guess some of her style is “專登” in order to distinguish herself.  
Ferras is also “古怪“ and Grumiaux is one of “正路” .  
 
My teacher is not fever in hifi and doesn’t have time to join the hifi gathering. :-(  
 
Whatever 無厘頭 my questions are, they are more interesting than those from the kids, eg “Sir, can I go to toilet?” :-))  
erictang
09-05-17
17:40:39
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' You mean for Jesus it will be a wet dream? That's only true for Mary Magdalene. '  
 
How do you know That's only true for Mary Magdalene. '  
I guess Jesus has plenty of lady fans, Magdalene is only one of them.  
kh33
09-05-17
12:55:07
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for Jesus, it will be a different matter  
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You mean for Jesus it will be a wet dream? That's only true for Mary Magdalene.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-17
11:55:58
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' Was it a nightmare, or a wet dream? '  
It must be a nightmare if seeing God's corpse in the dream, for Jesus, it will be a different matter.  
kh33
09-05-17
11:47:37
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>>昨晚見到上帝條屍bor....:-))  
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>補充: 發夢時見到...sorry  
 
 
發夢呢家野唔係好岩佢喎......  
8po
09-05-17
02:39:44