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Thanks for the link. Yes, it is quite dramatic that there are big dynamic contrast between each section. I think Alkan loves contrasting materials very much, not just dynamic, but tonality, harmony, texture, etc. Hamelin's playing is excellent.  
 
tenfingers
09-05-07
17:25:50
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Pardon for missing a link in the last post.  
Here's what I think a good example showing the diabolic side of Alkan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97AMizsHrs
skazka
09-05-07
16:49:42
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Alkan doesn't sound like any of those Chopin and Liszt (and their clones) to my ears at all. Listening to his daring use of strange harmonies, and twisting and bending of musical elements is like riding on a roller-coaster. It gets the adrenaline pumping.
skazka
09-05-07
16:43:06
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yes, the texture is rich and complicated, the thematic materials are so interesting and keep changing, you will never get bored by his work.  
 
To be honest, I am not that into Romantic piano works, too progammatic sometimes, in other words, too easy to understand...
tenfingers
09-05-07
16:32:46
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Oh yes I too enjoy the music of Villa-Lobos. His works have a certain kind of exotic, addictive element that makes one keep going back.  
 
As for Alkan, his sonate, sonatina, the etudes (including the concerto and symphony for solo piano), preludes and 48 esquisses all make compelling listening.  
 
Particularly for the esquisses - something that will fit the description of "touching, delicate, and romantic stuff" for sure.
skazka
09-05-07
16:06:39
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Well, I don't know much about Alkan, could you suggest some interesting pieces?  
Fell in love with Villa- Lobos lately..
tenfingers
09-05-07
15:58:01
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Oh yes Alkan is one of my favourites. He made me dump Chopin and Liszt for good (well, almost).
skazka
09-05-07
15:28:26
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Thanks for the link.  
 
I have only listened to a few of his solo works before but they didn't make as big an impression as the 2 monstrous Bach and Teleman variations. I do find, however, in addition to the merciless 4H Bach transcriptions, his original compositions for piano duets (1P or 2P) are very interesting.
skazka
09-05-07
15:25:56
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I remember you like Alkan, right?
tenfingers
09-05-07
15:09:05
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Let me think....have you try Max Reger? His piano works are quite interesting, not similar to those names you have mentioned. Here is one of the pieces I found on youtube. The pianist is a Piano Professor and I like his interpretation, very original and follows every detail in the score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBObs3hkxXc
tenfingers
09-05-07
14:54:50
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Hm.. that could be a lot of things. To me only Chopin, Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff sound overly romantic (not that there's anything wrong with it) to a point that makes me feel stuffed up. And none of them are really my cup of tea.  
 
Any names in particular that you would recommend (for late romantic but doesn't sound romantic).
skazka
09-05-07
14:16:26
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Or some very touching, delicate , romantic Baroque stuff, very interesting music indeed.....
tenfingers
09-05-07
14:13:11
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some late romantic but doesn't sound romantic stuff, know what I mean?
tenfingers
09-05-07
14:08:43
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Just out of curiosity, what "冷門 piano stuff" do you listen to?
skazka
09-05-07
12:52:13
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CKM,  
 
Please share your view on some of the pianists you have mention as I am not familiar with all those names and I am sure I will benefit a lot from you. I will bring some 冷門 piano stuff on Sunday but don't expect too much. :-)
tenfingers
09-05-07
10:51:57
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Jensen will explain to you the different characteristic of different violinist, and the secret of each piece of music from a performer point of view  
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I'm afraid that might be a full time course which lasts a few months if not a full year, even only limited to the list of violinists you brought up. :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-06
23:58:14
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CKM,  
 
I don't just mean composers, I mean composers and pianists alike. Whether you like their music or not, a legend must be revolutionary, has his own kind of sonority and be the master of his own school of playing.  
 
Beethoven is the first one to exploit the piano. He first came to fame as a pianist and his style of playing made an overwhelming impression on the Viennese who were conditioned to the smooth, fluent style of a Mozart or Hummel. Beethoven came smashing the piano, breaking strings, aiming for an unexploited kind of orchestral sonority on the keyboard. In his quest for more power, Beethoven urged every piano manufacturer to give him a better instrument to further expand his sonority, which he didnt get till his death, or deaf. :-) His piano sonatas, such as the Pathetique, Moonlight or D minor went further than any of Mozart's or Haydn's piano music in their massive sonority, romantic expression, unconventionality of form and with a totally new kind of virtuosity.  
 
As a pianist Chopin created a style that dominated the entire second half of the 19th century and was not substantially challenged until Debussy and Prokofiev came along. It was a style that broke sharply from everything that went before it, including Beethoven. He developed an altogether new kind of piano playing, with a new kind of piano sonority that once and for all released the instrument from the past. For the first time the piano became a total instrument. His new ideas about pedaling, fingering, rhythm, and colouristic resource were not followed by the then professionals but were taken up eventually by every one of the pianists of his time. Even Liszt admired Chopin's pianism and adopted many of his ideas. Up to the time he met Chopin, Liszt was primarily a banger. After exposing to Chopin's playing and his concept of functional ornamentation, he modified his bravura into a more poetic style. Chopin as a harmonist influenced all the later composers. Those chromatic and daring harmonies were a seminal influence on 19th century musical thinking. The Barcarolle, with its free-floating pedal effect and near-impressionist harmonies, anticipated Debussy.  
 
Debussy's piano music was as original as his own way of playing the piano. His entire approach was aimed at liberating the piano from its percussive sound. He insisted that the piano should sound as though it were an "instrument with no hammers". The fingers should "penetrate into the notes". Effects were to be obtained through the use of pedal, the "breathing pedal" as it was called. Tones and chords floated in air, melodies darted through blocks of suspended harmonies. Harmonically the music followed no rule. Debussy's exquisite ear was the only rule. Pianists thereafter had to struggle with a new type of fingering, new spacings, new sonorities, and the revolutionary use of the pedal.  
 
These 3 are the true masters and legends. There are other brilliant pianists, Rubinstein, Richter, Horowitz as you pointed out, but they are at best masters of the followers. They can be 掌門at their time, but never 宗師. There were some who developed a specific kind of sonority, like Prokofiev and Poulenc. But they are only the 鐵劍門 or 華山派, all already encompassed by 少林and 武當, not to mention to compare with the eclat of the great achievements of the 3 legends.  
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-06
23:36:20
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Tenfingers,  
 
' Don't be lazy, search on youtube and I am sure you can find something fantastic'  
 
Do you mean that I can find Beethoven, Chopin, Debussy playing their piano music in youtube?..............Just kidding.  
 
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CKM,,  
When you add up, there will be plenty of CDs brought by you !
kh33
09-05-06
19:57:56
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there are only 3 piano legends who completely changed the way a piano sounds and be played - Beethoven, Chopin and Debussy.  
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Dear CP,  
 
Could not agree more. My favourites would be Beethoven's Sonatas ( middle period) and Debussy's Images and Pour le Piano. Don't really like Chopin's music, guess that I am not a 'romantic' person.
tenfingers
09-05-06
18:27:38
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KH,  
 
I think the following name would definately come up in our discussion:  
 
Horowitz  
Rubinstein  
Richter  
Arrau  
Michelangeli  
Pollini  
Argerich  
Kempff  
Gilels  
Perahia  
Curzon  
Gieseking  
Roge ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Zimerman ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Ashkenazy ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Pletnev ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Tureck  
Sofronisky ( I will bring a few CDs)  
 
Heifetz  
Milstein  
Kogan ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Oistrakh ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Grumiaux  
Szeryng  
Perlman  
Chung  
Stern ( I will bring his Brahms violin sonatas)  
Menuhin  
Vengerov ( I will bring a few CDs)  
Repin ( I will bring a few CDs)  
 
 
 
 
CKM
09-05-06
17:40:37
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KH,  
 
Don't be lazy, search on youtube and I am sure you can find something fantastic. Everybody is doing it now, don't you see?? I love this instant sharing idea very much.
tenfingers
09-05-06
17:31:22
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KH,  
 
I am sure the piano and violin records in your place are legendary pianist and violinist from the 20 th century, I will bring along a few CDs of legends and legends to be in the 21st century.
CKM
09-05-06
17:24:31
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Unfortunately I do not have recordings by Beethoven,Chopin, Debussy or Paganini,  
I have some by Heifetz, and a few by Kreisler.
kh33
09-05-06
17:22:19
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cpsjj,  
 
That exactly illustrate the value of a classical meeting. Two challenging question :  
 
1. Why do you think that the three piano legends you mention are the only piano legends in the entire music history, how about Liszt, Schumann or Poulenc?  
 
Piano legends refer not only to composers, who do you think is the greatest pianist in the entire recording history?  
 
2. If you have three legends of violin in your mind only, I strongly urge you to come to our meeting, Jensen will explain to you the different characteristic of different violinist, and the secret of each piece of music from a performer point of view.
CKM
09-05-06
17:20:16
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To me, there are only 3 piano legends who completely changed the way a piano sounds and be played - Beethoven, Chopin and Debussy.  
 
Likewise, 3 legends of violin - Paganini, Kreisler and Heifetz.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-05-06
12:57:05
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CKM  
 
' Violin Legends and Piano Legends, '  
 
Which legends do you have in mind?  
I 'll do the search beforehand.  
 
kh33
09-05-06
12:43:41
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Oh, I listened to Schubert's Winter Journey last night, maybe it is time to seek kh's expert advice!!!
CKM
09-05-06
09:07:10
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CKM,  
 
My advice is don't listen to Lieders until you are 50, otherwise people may think that you are crazy.....
tenfingers
09-05-05
19:59:16
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On the contrary, I am getting tired with Mahler recently, and listen to piano music more, I still have a challenging category waiting for me to explore, that is Lieder.
CKM
09-05-05
19:55:17
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CKM,  
 
I don't listen to piano music except for work purpose. I am much more into Mahler, Bruckner and Wagner these sort of music now....I think I will get depression very soon....ahahahaha
tenfingers
09-05-05
19:43:53
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Since Jensen the great violisist and tenfingers the great pianist will be present on that day, I would like to suggest out topic as follows:  
 
Violin Legends and Piano Legends  
 
Please bring along great LPs and CDs of your beloved violinist and pianist, I am sure tenfingers and Jensen will enlighten us on how great they are.
CKM
09-05-05
19:32:57
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Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose &  
Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3. kh  
4. jensen  
5. erictang  
6.邊個邊個  
7.tenfingers( listening session only)  
8.
tenfingers
09-05-05
19:00:58
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早晨..好在今朝心血來潮入黎睇睇...:-)  
 
Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose &  
Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3. kh  
4. jensen  
5. erictang  
6.邊個邊個  
7.
bingor
09-05-05
10:47:17
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Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose & Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3. kh  
4. jensen  
5. erictang  
6.
erictang
09-05-04
22:31:06
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Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose & Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3. kh  
4. jensen  
5.
jensen
09-04-26
12:47:53
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All classical friends,  
 
We have been discuss on this board for a few months already, thank you for your contribution, I especially treasured the exchange of valuable opinion and music wisdom on display here.  
 
Some member may have met Chowhwk before, he is coming to Hong Kong again from 29/4/2009 to 17/5/2009, I would like to suggest a classical gathering on 10/5/2009, detail as follows:  
 
Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose & Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3. kh  
4.  
5.  
kh33
09-04-25
09:51:37
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All classical friends,  
 
We have been discuss on this board for a few months already, thank you for your contribution, I especially treasured the exchange of valuable opinion and music wisdom on display here.  
 
Some member may have met Chowhwk before, he is coming to Hong Kong again from 29/4/2009 to 17/5/2009, I would like to suggest a classical gathering on 10/5/2009, detail as follows:  
 
Onepekingroad classical music gathering  
Date: 10/5/2009  
Place: 新強記燒鵝乳鴿海鮮酒家 New Keung Kee Roast Goose & Seafood Restaurant  
Map: http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=6386&mapType=1  
Time: 1: 30 PM  
 
Register:  
1. CKM  
2. Chowhwk  
3.  
4.  
5.  
6.
CKM
09-04-24
11:10:32
回覆 (180): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
' I would not hesitate to go if it will be Fang Xiaomu playing '  
 
Me too. She is georgeous !
kh33
09-04-23
23:12:48
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古典啟示錄- PChome新聞台Blog  
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/classic
george1977
09-04-23
18:51:52
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I just learned from HKPO that there will be no refund for Mork's absence.:(  
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Oh what a pity!  
 
I have never heard the playing of Fang Xiaomu before and therefore no more further comment, but her outlook is a good display of shampoo commercial, ha ha...  
 
I will pay attention on her in subsequent concert! thanks for CP's recommendation!  
 
George1977
george1977
09-04-23
10:29:20