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回覆 (195): Beethoven
Too bad Rubinstein is dead, his Chopin is the best, no one can beat him.  
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Dear Tenfingers (Ms Charlotte)  
 
Although the reading of Rubinstein playing Chopin is deemed to be an all-rounder as textbook reference for piano student, I think that we should not overlook some contemporary pianist such like Maria Joao Pires , Sokolov, Van Cliburn, Alexandre Tharaude...  
 
We can learn a lot from records but pianist always made many takes to achieve perfection, live recital always give me a sense of spontaneity even though there are wrong notes ...  
 
I fully enjoy his recital last night though there was wrong notes and slight imperfection. I feel obliged to get his signature on my CD..and I can sense his tireness.  
 
Just my two cents  
 
george1977
george1977
09-04-16
15:20:03
回覆 (193): Pollini's Concert
The first two encore pieces last night. I like the recording by Pollini in the 70's on the  
 
Chopin Etudes Op.10 No.12  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-VjFKLCKwM&feature=related  
crescendos and diminuendos in both of his right and left hands  
 
Chopin Etudes Op.10 No.4  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wMR1Qadpw&feature=related  
彈跳力 of his left hand and the 'so-fa-mi-ri-do' by the left hand at 1:19  
erictang
09-04-16
14:53:26
回覆 (194): Beethoven
Too bad Rubinstein is dead, his Chopin is the best, no one can beat him.  
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Wandering pass and saw this. There is a very nice pianist around that can play Chopin quite well - Maria Joao Pires. Some of her works remind me of Cortot (sensational but never cheesy.)  
 
Happy listening.
BenYC
09-04-16
13:56:17
回覆 (193): Beethoven
Perhaps it is time for me to learn Tempest.
tenfingers
09-04-16
12:33:19
回覆 (192): Pollini's Concert
 
note from a music idiot:  
 
After listening to Pollini records for many years esp. his Chopin concerto and Etudes, I consider him a demi god of modern day pianist with technical perfection and musical integrety, last night he was a mere mortal. Perhaps my expectation was too high I was feeling a little disappointed especially at his Scherzo and 'Heroic' Polanaise where he could done better dynamically. Despite this his touch and tone colors in the soft slow passages was still exquisitely beautiful. I agreed with Eric that he was exemplary in Ballade no. 1.  
With bent back and grey hairs and slow walking movements he seems older than his true age. Perhaps this is due to the intense.prolonged piano practice taking its toll.
kh33
09-04-16
12:09:50
回覆 (192): Pollini's Concert
Too bad Rubinstein is dead, his Chopin is the best, no one can beat him.
tenfingers
09-04-16
11:58:21
回覆 (191): Pollini's Concert
I like the Piano Sonata No.2 and Berceuse instead, well I can merely heard the encore part through the television in the lobby because I wanted to queue up for my CD autograph earlier.  
 
Overall a Bravo performance at his relatively old age!
george1977
09-04-16
10:53:22
回覆 (190): Pollini's Concert
Its great to have Ballade No.1, my favorite piece as one of the 4 encore pieces. It is the best in the recital, in my humble opinion.
erictang
09-04-16
09:31:28
回覆 (189): Pollini's Concert
I think Pollini's playing last night was not as good as he was younger. The shape is still there, but there were some wrong notes and when I was looking at him playing the pieces, I just respect him more for the excellent work he did to music.  
 
I am having serious sleeping problem lately as everyone can see. I am exhausted too. I wish I can learn from Pollini's playing that even though there were wrong notes , he has given his heart to music and never regret about it.  
tenfingers
09-04-16
05:18:34
回覆 (188): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
This has been the most difficult analysis in my FXXXing life!!  
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Dear Charlotte,  
 
You are our goddess of music. You don't have to condescend from your noblesse to fit in the language of these rustic charlatans of music critic who only brag and know nothing about true music (sorry, I mean myself only).  
 
Charlotte is not harlot! :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-15
15:46:29
回覆 (187): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
My Dear limage,  
 
I will tell you later...
tenfingers
09-04-15
15:08:50
回覆 (186): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
This has been the most difficult analysis in my FXXXing life!!  
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My dear Charlotte,  
 
I cannot help wondering how FXXXing your life could possibly be. Please pardon me for being a little skeptical.  
 
^o^  
 
 
 
limage
09-04-15
15:02:10
回覆 (185): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Good morning Gentlemen,  
 
This has been the most difficult analysis in my FXXXing life!!  
 
Will give you a detailed analysis after my whole day teaching and I don't want to fall asleep tonight at the Pollini's concert!!  
 
Charlotte
tenfingers
09-04-15
11:19:17
回覆 (184): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
kh,  
 
Thank you for you expert opinion on why King George II rose to his feet at first notes of the triumphant Hallelujah Chorus rang out. But I have some other pausible explanation.  
 
Some research paper showed that some people are especially active in temporal lobe of our brain, and evidence showed there are relationship between the activity of temporal lobe of our brain and one's response to religious matters, some scientist even suggest that some `vision' documented in Bible is actually as a result of a temporal lobe epilepsy.  
 
Was it possible that King George II was in a form of seizure called `marching seizure' which was provoked by the great sing of Hallelujah? which originate from the temporal lobe of King George II's brain spreading to motor cortex of his brain?  
 
For those who have religious, please don't that my word seriously, all those phenonmenon I mention is a work of God anyway.  
CKM
09-04-15
10:32:02
回覆 (183): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
cpsjj,  
 
After reading you enlightening post, I decided to order a whole box of Handel to enrich my deficient collection, this box issued by Decca have 30 disc of major work include ortario, orchestral works and concertos, if anyone want to order a set please contact me as soon as possible.  
 
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Georg-Friedrich-H%E4ndel-Georg-Friedrich-H%E4ndel-The-Masterworks-Decca/hnum/1227113
CKM
09-04-15
10:15:57
回覆 (182): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
George,  
 
Miss you!  
 
tenfingers,  
 
I also found Faure's music interesting and very romantic, his music fall somewhere between Chopin and Debussy, he wrote a set of Prelude as well.  
 
Apart from the requiem and piano music, Faure is a genius in writing chamber music, his violin sonata is wonderfully atomospheric and lyrical, his piano quarte and Qunitet worth or attention.  
 
CKM
09-04-15
10:11:02
回覆 (181): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
Oh, I think Pollini is reading the thread. :-)  
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erictang,  
 
Do you really think so? I listened to Pollini's interview about Chopin this morning on Radio 4 and he seems to be reading out my earlier posting on Chopin - his classical bent, strictness in time, adoration of Bach and Mozart and the frowning on his rubato by his contemporaries; no other points! :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-15
09:42:22
回覆 (180): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Oh, I think Pollini is reading the thread. :-)
erictang
09-04-15
09:28:47
回覆 (179): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
Take good rest before the recital tonight  
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OMG! You mean Charlotte is Pollini? :-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-15
09:25:59
回覆 (178): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Wow you do posting 04:21:15 early in the morning.  
Take good rest before the recital tonight. :-)  
I don't sleep well recently, though.
erictang
09-04-15
09:19:34
回覆 (177): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Good Morning Gentlemen,  
 
After reading all the inspiring storys and discussion on various musical styles, I think my knowledge in music is a lot more deepen now, meaning I was a very shallow music student who only focus on the notes, but not the sound in the composer's mind. Also my playing was so bad that the chords were far too loud and lack of sensitivity in the melody.  
 
Luckily I went to a very famous conservatoire about a month ago and underwent a very tough training. Thank you all the mentors there and I hope my technique will improve someday. The professors there were being very kind to me by correcting my mistakes and gave me a chance to learn. I was confused and lost at the beginning, but they never give me up.  
 
My name is Charlotte and nice to meet all of you.
tenfingers
09-04-15
04:21:15
回覆 (176): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
This piece was premiered at La Medeleine, Paris  
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Tenfingers,  
 
Faure was the choirmaster and the organist of La Medeleine when his Requiem was premiered there. :-)  
 
It's good to listen to Faure after listening to Chopin as they share a lot of similarities in style. Other than Saint-Saens who basically begot him from nil to fame, the major influence on Faure was Chopin. He had in common with Chopin a delicate sensibility applied to every note. His music has much the same feeling of melodic inevitability, refinement and impeccable workmanship, but heroic has got no place. His delicate applications of tone colour was remarkable and that was what Debussy had learned much from him. His masterpieces, in my opinion, are all his songs. Faure had a genius for setting notes to words. No composer, not even Schubert or Wolf, can boast of so rapturous a song as Dans les ruines d'une abbaye or the intensity and luxuriance of a cycle like L'Horizon chimerique.  
 
I am sure you have tried his piano music. What do you think? His piano music is lyric and elegant but is extremely difficult to play. There is little flashy virtuosity, as in Chopin, the ornamentations are all functional. But the spread of the writing, its linear complexity and the wide range over the keyboard take it away from the amateur pianist. Faure once sent his Ballade for piano and orchestra to Liszt, and Franz Liszt, the one who read anything at sight, who was so hospital to new music, returned the score with a curt note, saying it was too difficult!  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-15
00:23:48
回覆 (177): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
' Faure's Requiem '  
 
I have this LP in original pressing, one of my desert island recording with sound of demonstration quality, and the voice of De Los Angeles is heavenly.
kh33
09-04-15
00:06:30
回覆 (176): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Sorry, it should be 'premiered'
tenfingers
09-04-14
22:59:16
回覆 (175): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Today's listening: Faure's Requiem  
 
Bought this disc for its cast, with Dietrich Fischer Dieskau and Victoria De Los Angeles you cannot go wrong.  
It's a beautiful piece with extremely good instrumentation for the harp is just fantastic, makes me feel like I am in heaven. This piece was premeired at La Medeleine, Paris. One year I was in Paris, my friend and I had a walk in the afternoon on Christmas Day. It was freezing cold and the streets were quiet, no door was opened except the door of La Medeleine. We went in and saw a poster about a free organ recital in the same evening and therefore we went. The organist was very good but when he started to play some of his own compositions which were in comtemporary style, the audience began to leave.  
 
This year I went to Paris again, same friend, same La Medeleine, but the streets were very busy.  
 
I miss that freezing, quiet afternoon in Paris.
tenfingers
09-04-14
22:55:05
回覆 (174): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
george,  
 
' Missing both of you, now I am being preoccupied by project after project, worser still there is an internal online monitoring software to spy on me. '  
 
 
Is it to prevent you from peeping to the porno website like the high ranking government official did?  
kh33
09-04-14
20:01:00
回覆 (168): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
tengingers,  
 
Regarding Messiah,  
 
' His gout acted up at that precise moment and he rose to relieve the discomfort.  
After an hour of musical performance, he needed to stretch his legs.  
From phsiological aspect these are the most likely explanation, or he was suffering from 'restless' leg syndrome.  
Perhaps it is not a bad idea to allow freer movements during concerts. I sometimes had the urge to stand up during long musical piece like Mahler 6th or 9th, as the seat in HK Cultural center is so uncomfortable.
kh33
09-04-14
19:50:22
回覆 (174): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
《梁祝》50歲了 作曲家陳鋼不會拉小提琴  
http://www.chinareviewnews.com/doc/21_267_100941061_1_0413141901.html  
 
Quality blog about Literature, Music, Hi-Fi and Vinyl  
 
http://blog.roodo.com/jonathanliou/  
 
http://blog.roodo.com/wuming/archives/cat_169529.html  
 
Enjoy reading, buddies!  
 
George1977
george1977
09-04-14
17:58:03
回覆 (173): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Dear CP & Feikeung  
 
Missing both of you, now I am being preoccupied by project after project, worser still there is an internal online monitoring software to spy on me. So I am indeed typing serveral words at Pacific Coffee to say hello to your guys!  
 
After next week I can take a relief and write something to renew my obsolete blog.  
 
CP, will you attend the forthcoming concert of Turls Mork at Cityhall? Is your talented son still on holiday?  
 
Feikeung, how's your ESL or Maggie sound?  
 
George1977
george1977
09-04-14
17:34:58
回覆 (172): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
Hello George,  
 
We've go to have you here.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-14
15:34:46
回覆 (171): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Greetings!!!  
How has life been treating you?  
 
feikeung
09-04-14
15:17:49
回覆 (170): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
George,  
Greeting!!! Howhas life been treating you?  
 
 
feikeung
09-04-14
15:16:20
回覆 (169): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Just a hello to all PK1 brothers, long time no see!  
 
george1977
09-04-14
15:10:07
回覆 (168): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
再談Handel Messiah  
網誌分類:Other Classical Music | 網誌日期:34分鐘前  
這幾天再聽Handel Messiah,細閱小冊子和綱上評論,得知原來這曲實在是不折不扣的「急就章」,原來這首樂曲是根據演出時人手安排而不斷更改,使樂曲適合表演者的能力。再者首演時原來是一個慈善音樂會,收益所得歸精神病院。  
 
再者Mozart 也曾為此曲作改篇,有機會真要找來聽聽。  
 
有資料還指出Handel 此曲運用了Text painting 作曲技巧,簡單來說就是用音樂描繪歌詞意境,讓音樂隨歌詞起伏。文筆拙劣,詳見:  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_painting  
 
 
CKM
09-04-12
12:32:06
回覆 (167): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Found the story of Messiah on the internet:  
 
In many parts of the world, it is the accepted practice for the audience to stand for this section of the performance. Tradition has it that King George II rose to his feet at this point. As the first notes of the triumphant Hallelujah Chorus rang out, the king rose. Royal protocol has always demanded that whenever the monarch stands, so does everyone in the monarch's presence. Thus, the entire audience stood too, initiating a tradition that has lasted more than two centuries. It is lost to history the exact reason why the King stood at that point, but the most popular explanations include:  
 
As was and is the custom, one stands in the presence of royalty as a sign of respect. The Hallelujah chorus clearly places Christ as the King of Kings. In standing, King George II accepts that he too is subject to Lord of Lords.  
He was so moved by the performance that he rose to his feet.  
He arrived late to the performance, and the crowd rose when he finally made an appearance.  
His gout acted up at that precise moment and he rose to relieve the discomfort.  
After an hour of musical performance, he needed to stretch his legs.  
There is another story told (perhaps apocryphally) about this chorus that Handel's assistant walked in to Handel's room after shouting to him for several minutes with no response. The assistant reportedly found Handel in tears, and when asked what was wrong, Handel held up the score to this movement and said, "I thought I saw the face of God".  
 
tenfingers
09-04-12
10:52:12
回覆 (166): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Messiah might generally be regarded as Handel's magnum opus and stays permanently in the repertory, his masterpieces are really his operas.  
 
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CP,  
 
Unfortunately I didn't have much time or nerve to go for his operas in the past, could you suggest some 'must listen' works or editions which are 'jaw-dropped' ?  
 
The reasons I fell asleep in the Messiah concert are 1) I was physically tired. 2) Lacking of rehersals(I guess) and therefore the choir sounds disconnected with the orchestra sometimes. 3) Conducting was not interesting at all. 4) I had to save my energy for the grand finale Christmas Carols singing in the end of the concert.  
That's how I spent my pre-Christmas weekend ....:((((
tenfingers
09-04-12
10:02:11
回覆 (167): castratos
 
 
 
Feikeung,  
 
You remind me of Vitas. I do have 2 of his CDs and heard them once, never again. Yes I also had that kind of migraine when listening to him. It is singing completely devoid of passion, with a sexless voice kind of like that of an alto who is neither male nor female and cloyed with the trick of sustaining a note for close to a minute. If you say there are speculations that he is castrated, I will be a believer. Have you ever seen beards on his face? I also have a recording of the last castrato, Alessandro Moreschi, before this strange breed became extinct in 1922, and they two have a lot of similarities, only difference being Moreschi sang with more sentiment.  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-12
09:34:00
回覆 (166): castratos
Vitas is probably the only living human I know of who has no difficulty singing the high registers in Handel’s oratorios. Whether he had to have his balls cut off to achieve what he’s capable of today ----- there have been speculations ……. I dished out a hundred RMB for a couple of his DVDs, which turned out to be VCD quality (I was pissed), out of curiosity only to find that I started developing a rather severe migraine not even half way thru the performances. He is immensely popular in mainland China though and is making $$$ hand over fist, his live concert tickets, which are usually sold out in no time, fetching a few hundred to a couple of grand RMB. He is coming to Guangzhou on April 25:  
 
Vitas ----- A Sleepless Night in China Tour schedule:  
April 24 - Xi'an, City Gymnasium  
April 25 - Guangzhou, New Gymnasium  
April 26 - Hangzhou, Gymnasium of Dragon Sports Center  
April 30 - Tianjin, Tianjin Gymnasium  
May 1 - Beijing, Capital Gymnasium  
May 2 - Nanjing, Gymnasium of Olympic Center  
May 3 - Shanghai, Shanghai Grand Stage  
May 6 - Kunming, New Asia Gymnasium  
May 8 - Harbin, Harbin Exhibition Center  
 
http://www.vitas.com.ru/titul_eng.php  
feikeung
09-04-12
03:56:04
回覆 (165): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
The only wonderful thing is when the audience has to stand up and sing 'Hallelujah' ( don't remember who started this, please ask.................  
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Tenfingers,  
 
I don't even know you have to stand up to sing "Hallelujah", perhaps standing up helps you to sing easier. :-) But I agree that despite the Messiah might generally be regarded as Handel's magnum opus and stays permanently in the repertory, his masterpieces are really his operas. The reason that the Messiah becomes so popular, other than its religious origin as claimed by CKM which I doubted as Handel was not really such a religious person and that he had composed close to 30 oratorios and none makes its way in modern repertory, may be it's because it is the easiest and most lenient to the singers amongst Handel's vocal works. Handel made his name on operas and had churned out more than 40 such works. The reason he turned to oratorios was because the time for opera was gone in mid 1700's and as a professional and businessman-composer, Handel had to turn to something else and he found the British public had a craze for oratorios. In Handel's time, vocal performances were dominated by castratos and what castrato stood for, vocally, was control and flexibility. It is common to find in Handel's vocal works, especially operas, coloratura passages of running 30 second notes that seem to continue forever without giving the singer a chance to take a breath and which was to showoff the castratos' incredible breath control and the ability to negotiate any kind of complicated figuration without a break in register or any evidence of vocal strain. These eunuchs had got female voices and male lungs. Today no singer can handle such vocal writings and most of the vocal lines have to be simplified today. Much of the raison d'etre of Handel's operas is thus lost and we find Handel's operas gone from the repertory. It still gives pleasure, as the revival of Julius Caesar and Alcina which was performed recently in the Art Festival have shown, but these modern productions can only be called adaptations of the original.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-04-12
01:49:06
回覆 (168): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Thank you for playing this game with me...haven't done that for a long time.
tenfingers
09-04-12
01:21:50