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Thank you for the suggestion.  
 
Just expect someone will suggest the ten fingers of .... hahaha...  
 
Just listened to Lipatti playing Waltz, those 'do do do' are awesome.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r08ZddiW74
erictang
09-03-26
23:05:03
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Eric,  
 
Lipatti is really good, cp mentioned about him, remember? I found his clips on youtube and they are AWESOME!! We( CKM and me) have Rubinstein, so don't buy his version...
tenfingers
09-03-26
19:52:07
回覆 (143): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Eric,  
 
Rubinstein, Rubinstein and Rubinstein.
CKM
09-03-26
19:42:40
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By the way, any suggestion on Chopin Mazurkas, Op. 33 ?  
I may go to get one during my vacation tomorrow or weekend.  
 
I may just skip the homework on "SIBELIUS Symphony No.7" , it is too much to me.
erictang
09-03-26
19:18:02
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--> when I am get really angry, I could playing those powerful chords without any problem  
 
do u mean now ? haha...  
 
I play them long time ago though with sub-standard student grade level.  
Apart from me, my family and neighbour suffer.  
Per request, I don't play anymore.  
erictang
09-03-26
19:14:21
回覆 (140): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Eric,  
 
when I am get really angry, I could playing those powerful chords without any problem...haha
tenfingers
09-03-26
19:04:07
回覆 (140): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Yes, yes........ will hand in a new one in a few days.
CKM
09-03-26
18:57:20
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I like those powerful chords, octaves, cresendo, decresendo ... etc in Beethoven Piano Sonata. Eg the last movement of No.1, 5, 14, 8 (1st movement)
erictang
09-03-26
18:56:26
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(screaming tone) : Write your article and stop teasing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tenfingers
09-03-26
18:54:05
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Just joking.
CKM
09-03-26
18:44:48
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Are you trying to kill me CKM??
tenfingers
09-03-26
18:43:14
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I found Clara Haskil playing Beethoven Tempest sonata to be excellent.  
 
I cannot wait to hear tenfingers play piano live for us one day.
CKM
09-03-26
18:40:20
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' but piano sonatas, no thank you, too much painful memory...'  
 
I think lady pianists are at a disadvantage when playing Beethoven Sonata, just as you said, their hands are usually not as big and powerful as men.  
But there are exceptions....Annie Fischer, whose Beethoven cycle,some claims, is amongst the best. Unfortunately her disc is hard to find. I only have one and her playing is sublime.
kh33
09-03-26
18:31:32
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Speaking of which, there will be an Alkan programme on Apr 26 on BBC Radio 3, with guest David Conway, himself a committee member of the Alkan Society in UK. Here's a brief description of the programme:  
 
"The afternoon of Sunday 26th April will bring a large scale programme on Alkan on BBC Radio 3, scripted by Jo Wheeler and presided over by Piers Lane. The programme will cover Alkan’s life and works, liberally illustrated with recordings of his music. Amongst those discussing Alkan you are likely to hear your editor (but don’t let that put you off). It is very encouraging to see the BBC giving serious coverage to Alkan – do listen, and send encouraging comments to the Radio 3 internet message boards."
skazka
09-03-26
15:20:44
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By reading the feelings for Beethoven of you guys remind me how painful to learn his piano sonata when I was young. I hate Beethoven in a way that I don't have big strong fingers to produce the powerful tone and those killing octaves took me months to practise and I really didn't enjoy the suffering.  
 
But listening to his work is a totally different thing and yes, it's very passionate and lots of frustration( from the composer's and performer's) in them. I enjoyed his symphonies, string quartets , but piano sonatas, no thank you, too much painful memory...
tenfingers
09-03-26
14:38:49
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Listened to Gilels' Beethoven Piano Sonata No.5 a few months ago together with a Pollini's CD from library. The 1st and 3rd movements by Pollini is too rush to me.  
I like Gileis', the slow movement, in particular, resemble to his Hammerklavier  
where you can feel he is being exhausted by the amount of control exerted.
erictang
09-03-26
13:57:12
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Shazka,  
 
Thank you for your comment, I think I have to do some research before making comment on Alkan.
CKM
09-03-26
13:33:04
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kh,  
 
I always loves Emil Gilels's Beethoven Sonata, hid Appasionata, Waldstein, are the highlight of the set, I especially love his tone, which is full and powerful.  
 
His tempo in slow movement tend to be too leisurely most of the time, in his great days, that can sound reflective and illuminating, and he have a special ability to maintain the long melody line.  
 
His set is among the best in the catelog, but personally prefer a more urgent approach which I heard in Gulda's set.
CKM
09-03-26
13:25:02
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I can't say I know as much Alkan as I would like to (given there isn't an awfully lot of information about him to begin with). But I revered Ronald Smith's recordings, as well as his important book on the composer. Although he probably won't be my ideal Alkanian. I just prefer a more schizophrenic and demonic Alkan in general. I'm more into the Hamelin and Gibbons way of things.  
 
Speaking of his preludes, the 8th piece titled "La Chanson de la folle au bord de la mer" (translated as "Song of the mad woman singing by the water" I guess?) is certainly one of my most favourite pieces of piano music.
skazka
09-03-26
12:50:17
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Following the comments by CKM about Emil Gilels I dug out and listened to his Beethoven piano sonata 21, Waldstein, also known as L'Aurore, a piece about dawn and nature. After the enlightening by tenfingers I was captured by Gilels playing from start to finish, esp. the last part presto where he is fast, really fast, as was being intoxicated. If this is not technical perfection, I don't know what is.  
 
kh33
09-03-26
12:26:03
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Shazka,  
 
Sory miss your post, welcome on board here.  
 
Do you mind sharing with us you view on Alkan, I have only one set of piano works played by Ronald Smith.
CKM
09-03-26
12:17:49
回覆 (129): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
tenfingers,  
 
I am glad that you love the music of CPE Bach.  
 
Sometime I just brought a disc I found interesting, listen to it an found nothing special, then put it in the shelf, I have not listened to CPE Bach's piano works for more than 4 years already, thank you for enlightening me on the values of this disc.
CKM
09-03-26
12:14:15
回覆 (128): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hi CKM,  
 
The CPE Bach you have is very interesting indeed. He used a lot of pedals to creat a different sonority that is closer to the Romantic period. I like the rondos/variations since more interesting ideas could be found. Haydn only aknowledges Bach in his autpbiography saying, "whoever knows me well knows that I owe a great deal to Carl Phillip Emanuel Bach". Therefore I look for the links between them and I've found many.  
 
Listening to his music is so much fun and I will purchase different versions ( may be a harsichord version) to learn more details in his composition.  
 
Thanks.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-26
12:01:24
回覆 (127): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
開夜車做功課.  
Hong Kong Philharmonic + David Atherton + Lynn Harrell 28-3-2009 Sat  
 
This CD has been bought months but not unwrapped till tonoght.  
 
As a whole, I won't Chang's as the top choice among the few recordings I owned.  
Nevertheless, the cover looks pleasing.Chang plays the 1st movement with less tension in this CD as compare with this youtube clip.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyaPlvae5k&feature=related  
 
My previous comments on some other Shostakovich Cello Concerto recordings.  
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/erickftang2008/article?mid=79  
 
For Shostakovich Cello Sonata,  
the Yuli Turovsky/Luba Edlina all Russian pair under Chandos label is still my first choice.  
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/erickftang2008/article?mid=28  
erictang
09-03-26
01:21:25
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tenfingers,  
 
Please don't feel regret. CKM disclosed only a small part of your secret. There are still lots of treasure in you that we would like to explore.
kh33
09-03-25
12:29:35
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As a big fan of Alkan, I can't wait to see your take on these strange little creations of his.
skazka
09-03-25
11:06:25
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KH,  
 
I think I've made a mistake. I shouldn't have lunch with CKM ( I think you know what I mean). The game would never be the same again....too bad.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-25
10:49:49
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' I must thank you for taking the risk to meet someone crazy like me. '  
 
No risk, no gain.  
I'm glad that I've taken this risk and I gain a lot.
kh33
09-03-25
10:16:16
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Hi tenfingers,  
 
--> taking the risk to meet someone crazy like me  
 
The ‘risky’ adventure lights up our ‘dry’ and routine itineraries then ....  
 
Some of my previous postings in review33.com can be found in below, though not as well written as those by the others here..... The recent ones in Chinese are silly, but fun, sometimes....  
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/erickftang2008/
erictang
09-03-25
09:28:05
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cp,  
 
Thank you for your comment on Perahia, I loved his Ballads and Etudes, I have not heard of Rachmaninov's playingof chopin music but that would be interesting, by the way I will also discuss Debussy, Faure, Alkan, Sciabin and Rachmaninov's Prelude in my on going article.
CKM
09-03-25
09:19:18
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弱質織織的外表,如泉水不斷的音樂智慧網誌分類:Pianist | 網誌日期:2009-03-24 22:41  
今天KH, Eric 和我有幸和tenfingers共晉午餐,名為交流,實則是為我上了一堂音樂課。想不到弱質纖纖的tenfingers ,音樂智慧像泉水一樣,是不折不扣的`Fountain of Knowledge' 。  
 
Tenfingers愛聽古典音樂已有多年,又愛彈鋼琴。起初也愛看黃牧先生的箸作,對音樂的熱誠漸濃,中學以後隻身飄洋過海遠仆英國Birmingham讀音樂。她琴藝精湛,桃李滿門。  
 
今天一席話,真可謂勝讀十年書,今筆錄和大家分享:  
 
聽音樂其實可從兩方面着手,一個是音樂的橫向流動,即是音樂的旋律,節奏,一個是音樂的垂直發展,即音樂的層次,和聲配器等。巴洛克時期的音樂橫向直向發展兼備,古典時期開始就着重橫向發展,故樂章越來越長,配器和樂隊人數越來越複雜,直到二十世紀才有新突破。欣賞二十世紀其實應着重聆聽音樂中對聲音的營造,對氣氛的營造而不再是旋律,有一些電影如希治閣的恐怖片如配上現代音樂可增加緊張氣氛,有一些流行音樂如陳奕迅的音樂也加入不少現代音樂完素。  
 
Bach - 巴哈的音樂是十分理性的,巴哈作這些鍵盤音樂時只有古鍵琴,因古鍵琴音色沒有輕重分別,琴音又難以持續長時間,故巴哈的音樂是比較複雜,並用多重聲部來營造複音效果。彈奏這些複音音樂是困難的,因如有四部旋律的話每隻手要同時照顧兩條旋律,甚至需要一條旋律由兩隻手同時負責,所以如果聽來旋律流暢換手不着痕跡是很高的技巧。音樂會中鋼琴家都愛用Bach 的音樂來熱身。  
 
Hadyn 是奠定曲式的重要人物,Hadyn 父親是工人,年少就隨親人到合唱團學習音樂,之後成為貴族的私人作曲家,故他作的音樂都需要受環境限制,樂隊不能太大,技巧不能太難,而又要能切合主人需要,由鋼另琴獨奏到神劇。更要命的是要天天新款,故海頓只可從曲式中細節中求變,他的交響曲聽來首首差不多,但其實是不斷嘗試創新的過程。莫扎特和貝多芬都是從海頓變化出來,故彈莫扎特之前彈海頓有很大幫助。  
 
鋼琴-控制鋼琴其實是由指尖至膊頭六個關節運動,音樂家應因應音樂需要局部控制每個關節,俄羅斯鋼琴家如Horowitz, Richter 等演奏時身體都不會搖動,一則節省氣力,二則音色不會因搖動而受影響。有些鋼琴家手指十分輕柔,如Cortot 演奏時手指像在捬摩鋼琴故他的造句敏感輕柔。Rubinstein 的演奏力度十足感情洋溢,原因是Rubinstein 尾指按鍵的力量和食指中指一樣強。Pollini 能營造美妙音色則在於彈和弦時,一雙尾指比食指用力更強,故音色更圓潤。  
 
如有錯漏請指正。  
CKM
09-03-25
08:58:07
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Hi Guys,  
 
It's very kind of you to have lunch with me ( especially Eric) and 'blow- water' (kh, that wasn't tutorial....haha) for almost 2 hours. I hope you didn't get bored by my talking and I must thank you for taking the risk to meet someone crazy like me.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-24
23:08:55
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Thanks KH for the lunch and tenfingers for the 'tutorial' from which I've learnt a lot.  
Hope I can attend the whole tutorial next time. :-)
erictang
09-03-24
23:00:15
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Hi ken1967,  
 
Yes, this Sat ( Lynn Harrell ) . Homework (SIBELIUS Symphony No.7 ) yet to be started. :-)
erictang
09-03-24
22:41:34
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Hi KH,  
 
Daniel Chorzempa is the organist I've mentioned today.  
I like his Bach Trio Sonata, the 3 melodic lines can be clearly heard, better than the ones by Tom Koopman in my humber opinion.
erictang
09-03-24
22:35:43
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'Where to get Ivan Moravec boxset???? '  
 
My box set LP is issued by The Classic Record Library in U.S.A  
Got it from E bay. Don't know whether it is available in CD.  
 
I also have a double LP set of Magaloff playing Chopin waltzes, nocturnes polonaise, etudes and etc. Though playing is excellent,he is not on my top list of Chopin players.
kh33
09-03-24
22:26:45
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One of the nicety of this thread is it provides a platform or chance to meet fellows of similar passion. Today's meeting with tenfingers is such an occasion. What is meant to be a short lunch meeting turns out to be a two hour 'tutorial' and discussion. To me, a music illiterate,it provides new insight and perspective in piano listening, what and how to listen to those great piano masters. From now,I hope, piano listening will never be the same, it will be of much more fun.  
 
Thank you, tenfingers.
kh33
09-03-24
22:15:02
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Where to get Ivan Moravec boxset???? and I think most people missing Nikita Magaloff
Hercules
09-03-24
19:18:44
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Eric,  
 
Don't forget this Sat ah ( Lynn Harrell )  
 
Ken1967
ken1967
09-03-24
18:21:06
回覆 (119): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
Another example of pupil betters the teacher is this Lipatti on Chopin. Cortot was in the panel of adjudicators of the Vienna Piano competition when Lipatti took only the second prize. Cortot was so appalled at this flagrant miscarriage of artistic justice that he resigned from the panel, a saga replayed by Martha Argerich when she walked out from the panel of the Chopin competition because of Pogorelich. The young Lipatti was then invited to study with Cortot in Paris. All of Lipatti's works invariably show his specific "divine spirituality" and that is why I like his Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring so much.  
 
cpsjj
09-03-24
13:53:01