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The old and modern standards of playing Chopin - Cherkassky and Ohlsson.  
 
 
cpsjj
09-03-24
13:25:17
回覆 (117): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
If one can accept the recording quality of Alfred Cortot, there is no reason then we should not come to appraise the immaculate musicianship of the greatest pianist of all time - Rachmaninov. Rachmaniniov learned to play Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Schubert etc. at the later part of his life as out of economic pressure that he had to become a concert pianist. With particular enthusiasm on Chopin, Rachmaninov soon became a Chopin specialist. Score-reading listeners, like erictang, may find a lot of departures from the written Chopin in Rachmaninov's readings but over and above these are moments of breathtaking musicanship. American critic W.J. Henderson wrote after listening to Rachmaninov played Chopin "there was nothing left for us but to thank our stars that we had lived when Rachmaninov did and heard him, out of the divine might od his genius..............But one thing must not be forgotten : there was no iconoclast engaged; Chopin was still Chopin".  
 
 
cpsjj
09-03-24
13:22:31
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There are indeed many many great recordings and players of Chopin, amongst those, like the Beethoven piano concerto, I will highly recommend Murray Perahia. If as Barenboim said that Cortot discovered the opium in Chopin, Perahia has further extracted and purified this opium, transcending it to a modern narcotic ten times as toxic.  
 
cpsjj
09-03-24
13:05:00
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Let me also include some Chopin playing not mentioned:  
 
Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli...10 Mazurkas, prelude op45, Ballade op23 Scherzo31  
 
Malcuzynski box set...6 polonaises,14 waltzes,2 sonata.  
 
Ivan Moravec,box set... all the ballades,preludes,and nocturnes.  
 
Fu tsong, all the preludes.  
 
In my opinion, they are all great Chopin players.
kh33
09-03-24
00:33:51
回覆 (114): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
廿幾年後的 Lynn Harrell
erictang
09-03-24
00:12:43
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Hong Kong Philharmonic + David Atherton + Lynn Harrell 28-3-2009 Sat  
 
幾乎忘記做功課,今個星期六交。 要做哩個先。  
謝謝 tenfingers 及 CKM 的好意, 下次先抄你地D。  
 
Hong Kong Cultural Centre Concert Hall  
 
Programme  
GRIEG Peer Gynt: Suite No.1  
SIBELIUS Symphony No.7  
MUSSORGSKY Khovantschina: prelude  
SHOSTAKOVICH Cello Concerto No.1  
 
廿幾年前的 Lynn Harrell
erictang
09-03-24
00:12:02
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Hi Eric,  
 
I have the Mazukas you are looking for, played by Rubinstein ( Japanese edition), interested?  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-22
23:48:42
回覆 (111): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
While waiting for the report from CKM, listen to preludes by Cortot, which also includes the 4 impromtus.  
The Chopin by Cortot is just too famous to be ignored.  
While the recording quality ( in 1933) is not up to present day standard and with wrong notes and technical imperfection, there are delicate sensitivity of his phrasing and elegance in his interpretation that is so quintessential of Chopin.  
Thought may not be the best, it is a pity to be without it.
kh33
09-03-22
22:55:50
回覆 (110): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Eric,  
 
I have a extra copy of Chopin Complete Mazurka played by Rubinstein, interested?
CKM
09-03-22
22:27:04
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Piano Recital - Maurizio Pollini on 15 April  
 
多謝朋友譚先生去排隊買票.  
 
今日開始做功課. 執藥執唔倒 Four Mazurkas, Op. 33 添.  
 
An All-Chopin Programme  
 
Prelude in C-sharp Minor, Op. 45  
Ballade No. 2 in F, Op. 38  
Sonata No. 2 in B-flat Minor, Op. 35  
Scherzo No. 1 in B Minor, Op. 20  
Four Mazurkas, Op. 33  
Berceuse, Op. 57  
Polonaise in A-flat, Op. 53, ‘Heroic’  
 
 
http://www.lcsd.gov.hk/CE/CulturalService/Programme/en/music/0000007f.html
erictang
09-03-22
21:16:40
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上世紀前葉的兩位大師-Chopin Prelude 版本比較網誌分類:Chopin | 網誌日期:2009-03-21 08:39  
說起Chopin 音樂,上世紀前葉有兩位大師不能不提,他們分別是生於1877年的Alfred Cortot,和生於1887年的Arthur Rubinstein。  
 
Alfred Cortot 受業於和蕭邦友好的Emil Descombes,可謂深得Chopin 神髓。他對簫邦的點評更可謂影響後世對蕭邦音樂的理解,但他同時也因技巧上的缺陷而為後世垢病。Rubinstein這個個生於波蘭的猶太人,在年青時已受名小提琴家Joseph Joachim 賞識,後來在全世界巡迴演奏,超初反應並不佳,但Rubinstein 大器晚成,越奏越出色,他的簫邦一洗當時沉溺萎靡的聲音,奏得健康而具風骨,為後世的簫邦演奏風格有舉足輕重的影響。  
 
昨天先聽Alfred Cortot 的演奏,Cortot 在抒情的前奏曲有浪漫的造句,觸鍵強弱也有不錯的對比,但在炫技的樂段明顯力不從心。最難又最刺激的第十六号,Cortot 的右手音階模糊不清,左手卻不斷轟出強音掩護,可惜只令這首刺激非常的所前奏曲聽來凌亂不堪。旋律動人的第十五號「雨滴」不知是錄關係還是演奏者問題,左手原本像雨點落在湖面的伴奏奏得模糊不清,右手主旋律在錄音中竟然走音( 錄音問題),大剎風景。其他技術問題多多,錄音極差,建議此版本只適合對上世紀歷史錄音有特殊愛好或對Cortot演奏情有獨鐘的人仕。  
 
 
 
 
 
隨後再聽Rubinstein 1946年的錄音,雖然也是單聲道,背景也有很多雜聲,但一比較就不難明白Rubinstein 會被人喻為彈奏簫邦的一代宗師。Rubinstein 彈的前奏曲速度自然流暢,每首都不除不疾,渾然天成。技巧上Rubinstein 也平均,沒有斧鑿的痕迹。連最困難的第十六号都聽來流暢自然。  
 
但如果Rubinstein 只是流暢而已,他的演奏一定不能成為後世典範。我多年前有一Rubinstein 彈蕭邦的精選唱片,封面是這樣介紹Rubinstein:  
 
他能使鋼琴奏得像意大利Gondola船伕的歌聲  
 
意大利Gondola 船伕唱得怎樣我不清楚,但在Rubinstein 演奏的Chopin Prelude 之中,那怕是最困難的樂段,你都聽得到鋼琴在歌唱。  
 
第七`波蘭舞者'輕歌妙曼,第十五`雨滴'是在雨中如泣似訴,是戀人在雨中互表心迹嗎?第十七`巴黎聖母院的情景'在一下一下莊嚴鐘聲响起之下,是少女在禱告嗎?  
 
第十首晚蛾聽得出在拍着牠的翅膀,第二十四号像暴風雨捲雲滔天而來,幾下雷聲,曳然而止。聽過Rubinstein 這演奏總覺意尤未盡,幸好唱片可以重播又重播。  
 
這是值得每個愛簫邦音樂的人去珍藏的版本,那怕這是單聲道錄音。  
 
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=643
CKM
09-03-22
14:56:51
回覆 (107): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
tenfingers,  
 
Probably lending the disc to you while we meet is the best solution.
CKM
09-03-22
14:55:46
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Hi CKM,  
 
Actually I don't have any keyboard music by CPE Bach, perhaps it's time to get some. Is your Pletnev good?  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-22
00:35:02
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tenfingers,  
 
Thank you for introducing CPE Bach, I have two disc by CPE Bach, one disc is a slection of various sonata played by Pletnev, the other is a selection of flute concertos on Naxos, I found both disc enjoyable and relaxing.
CKM
09-03-21
19:50:30
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Thanks for introducing C.P.E. Bach.  
To be frank I have negreted him though he was the most famous son of J.S. Bach.  
The reason being that J.S. Bach was such a prolific composer that listening and digesting only part of his music already occupied my much limited time for audio pleasure.
kh33
09-03-20
19:13:07
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" Dissonances are generally played more londly and consonancs more softly, because the former stimulate and exacerbate the emotions, while the latter calm them." Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, Essay (1753)  
 
Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven are the greatest names in Classical period, but one common thing between them is they are all influenced by C.P.E. Bach, the second son of J.S Bach and Maria Barbara Bach. " [C.P.E.] Bach is the father, we the children." Mozart once said. Beethoven too consideres himself a Bach disciple that he asked Carl Czerny (his pupil, and became a famous keyboard teacher) to digest Bach's 'Essay on the true Art of Playing Keyboard Instruments' when he came to study with Beethoven.  
 
These four symphonies were written in 1775 and is the last set that C.P.E. Bach had written. He was already sixty- one at that time and the music was composed the the style called ' Empfindsamkeit' (ultra-sensitivity)- violent, expressive, brilliant, continously surprising, and often incoherent. Andrew Manze is no doubt a master in interpreting this style: sudden change of dynamics and the contrast between the strings and woodwind are beautifully done in a very 'Classical' manner. The music is performed on Baroque instruments( most of them ) and the tone is slightly dry/hard to me ears. The harpsichordist is excellent, all the chords are elegantly played and it sounds so distinctive.  
 
It's not boring stuff, that's all I can tell you, have a go!!  
tenfingers
09-03-20
18:38:45
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Good evening,  
 
I love the word 'German tank' :))) You obviouly don't find her sexy..  
 
I was reading their biographies in the afternoon on the internet and that gave me so much fun, thank you for chatting with me.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-14
19:09:03
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tenfingers,  
 
' she has a very different life compare with Mutter ( can't help comparing them) '  
On stage they cannot be more different.  
Mutter is strong, and robust like a German tank.With her tightly fit,low cut V night gown,thick lip, almond eyes, she could be considered a sex symbol of lady violinist. Though her playing is sometimes idiosyncratic, some thinks that her vibrato technique is amongst the best.  
Mullova is cool, slim and elegant without much facial expression,like some goddess from the Nordic region.
kh33
09-03-14
00:44:53
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kh33: yes, it was a long time ago, my brother and I were impressed by her look and the stylish playing and always compare her with Mutter's playing...those were the good old days :)))) Glad to see her turn into a mature/elegant lady and obviously she has a very different life compare with Mutter ( can't help comparing them)  
 
CKM: glad to see you've put Rubinstein on your list :- }
tenfingers
09-03-13
20:17:03
回覆 (100): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
I have the versions by Garrick Ohlsson and Grigory Sokolov too which you may find interesting. May be next time we meet I can give you the CDs together with returning the Beethoven piano concertos to you.  
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-03-13
20:15:09
回覆 (99): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Sorry cpsjj,  
 
Thank you for reminding:  
 
Cortot  
Arrau  
Argerich  
Ashkenazy  
Bolet  
Rubinstein  
Richter ( incomplete )  
 
CKM
09-03-13
19:30:07
回覆 (98): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Hi tenfingers  
 
 
 
'When did you listen to Mullova last time?'  
 
Can't remember exactly. must be more than 4 years from now.  
The first time I heard her live was more than 15 years ago when she was the 'hottest' (not in the sense of appearance) female violinist then. She made a sensation when she 'defected' to the west and made her first recording with Ozawa and BSO playing the Tchaikovsky and Sibelius violin concerto. Her 4 LPs now is a rare commodity in the second hand market. I had better impression on her first appearance with her cool, slender elegant look and playing with style and elan.
kh33
09-03-13
17:56:21
回覆 (99): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hi CKM,  
 
I don't see Rubinstein on your list, do you kick him out deliberately? haha. Can't wait to read.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-13
11:22:33
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I am going to compare different versions again  
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CKM,  
 
Please don't miss out Richter, Pogorelich and Perahia.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-03-13
10:39:39
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Hi kh33,  
 
When did you listen to Mullova last time? I guess that's one of the reasons why she is becoming a chamber violinist rather than a soloist at the moment. This is the CD I am talking about, she used a baroque violin in this recording which I love very much. The ornamentation, bowing and phrasing are also very good that it brings out the kind of Vivaldi's flavour- very lively yet expressive. Please give her a second chance...
tenfingers
09-03-13
10:23:35
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Thank you cpsjj for input and enlightening us on Chopin's Prelude.  
 
I am going to compare different versions again, this time I have  
 
Cortot  
Arrau  
Argerich  
Ashkenazy  
Bolet  
 
I try to find Pollini.
CKM
09-03-13
10:11:45
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Hi Eric,  
 
I haven't listened to Francescatti's Bach for a long time as his is not my first priority. His style of playing Bach is not what I longed for.  
Milstein had high respect for Morini as he said Morini was the only violinist he would like to work with.
kh33
09-03-13
01:00:40
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Hi tenfingers  
 
' respect all the great violinists in heaven but I want to keep exploring among the living ones '  
 
I explore the living ones by trying to hear them live as much as I can.  
Heard Mullova twice, the last one disappointed me when she played the Sibelius violin concerto with much wrong notes and little feeling.  
李傳韻 is just different, Jensen has high opinion on him though his violin playing is unorthodox.  
 
please don't call me a hifi master as I 'm just a guy who happened to like listening to music and Setting a nice sounding system gives me more joy.
kh33
09-03-13
00:54:00
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Prelude in D-flat Major, Op. 28 No. 15 — Sostenuto 雨點................這首是26首中最為出名的前奏曲  
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CKM,  
 
This is the part that most musicologists cannot agree with each other. First and foremost, there are only 24 preludes by Chopin, amongst them the Raindrop, is supposed to be a musical interpretation of the rain dropping relentlessly on the monastery in which Chopin and George Sand stayed during their trip in Majorca. But the title is only a later invention and no one really knows which prelude it is. Some plump for the No. 15 in D flat (Sostenuto) with the reiterated notes in the B flat minor section, while others with equal insistence say that the Raindrop is really No. 6 in B minor (lento assai) with its regular mournful left hand pattern, which is also played in Chopin's funeral.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-03-13
00:14:10
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I don't listen to Chopin's Prelude a lot, but I like these 2 in particular.  
 
Prelude in C Minor, Op. 28 No. 20 — Largo 葬禮進行曲  
Prelude in D Minor, Op. 28 No. 24 — Allegro appassionato 風暴
erictang
09-03-12
23:24:07
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Hi KH,  
 
If my memory serves me, Francescatti's Bach 把大部份音符連在一起, similar to Hilary Hahn's Beethoven 3rd movement and Sibelius 3rd movement which I don't prefer.  
 
About Milstein/Morini's Bach double concerto, your system can reveal the difference between the 2 violinist. I guess the one who 拉得硬D is Morini.
erictang
09-03-12
23:11:55
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瞬間感動(2)-大師點評前奏曲 Chopin Prelude(2)網誌分類:Chopin | 網誌日期:2009-03-12 11:47  
上文說明了蕭邦作Prelude 前奏曲時之背景並有Han Von Bulow 對1-14另之點評,今次重點評論15-26号:  
 
Prelude in D-flat Major, Op. 28 No. 15 — Sostenuto 雨點  
 
這首是26首中最為出名的前奏曲,George Sand 對此曲背景有細緻描述〝我當日外出購物,將有病的蕭邦留在家中,但當日滂沱大雨使我們用了六小時才能回家。一回到家中看到絕望的蕭邦,他放聲大哭並告訴我們剛才夢境,他以為他已死了,在半夢半醒之中,他感到在一個冰冷湖中,大雨無情的灑在胸前,他像要沉到湖底。看看大家有沒有這感覺?  
 
Prelude in B-flat Minor, Op. 28 No. 16 — Presto con fuoco 地嶽  
 
這是飛快的一首,也是最難的一首,是名鋼琴家的技巧試金石。  
 
Prelude in A-flat Major, Op. 28 No. 17 — Allegretto 巴黎聖母院的情景  
 
是一首浪漫的樂曲Rubinstein 與Clara Schumann 也很喜愛此曲。  
 
Prelude in F Minor, Op. 28 No. 18 — Allegro molto自殺  
 
Prelude in E-flat Major, Op. 28 No. 19 — Vivace衷心歡喜  
 
Prelude in C Minor, Op. 28 No. 20 — Largo 葬禮進行曲  
 
Rachmaninov 以此首作了技巧極難的 Variation on a theme of Chopin  
 
Prelude in B-flat Major, Op. 28 No. 21 — Cantabile 週末  
 
Prelude in G Minor, Op. 28 No. 22 — Molto agitato焦燥  
 
Prelude in F Major, Op. 28 No. 23 — Moderato快樂之船  
 
Prelude in D Minor, Op. 28 No. 24 — Allegro appassionato 風暴  
 
音樂短片可到  
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=630
CKM
09-03-12
23:00:48
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李傳韻is definitely another one. Have you watched his live performance? It's so powerful, exciting and full of passion ( well, he is a very passionate guy). His technique is fantastic but I think he cannot work with an orchestra very well by observing his personality. I've added him on facebook and I think he is giving up violin at the moment, how sad it is..:(  
 
Mullova is another one I like very much, this woman is thinking a lot of things in her head when she's playing the violin. She has moved from a soloist to a chamber music player recently. You should listen to her latest album and also read the sleeve note to understand what she's been doing.  
 
Love to read your article/review, I can see your passion in writing about music, what a good job you've done, CKM, nice to meet you.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-12
19:27:03
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Thank you for your valuable contribution.  
 
Which Violinist you found most appealing to you today ?
CKM
09-03-12
18:52:37
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Dear kh33,  
 
Thanks for your support!! I respect all the great violinists in heaven but I want to keep exploring among the living ones...haha. I also remember when I was student I used to hate Harmonia Mundi because the sound sucks!! ( that was about 20 years ago when I was in UK) Obviously the recording quality has been improved a lot and so are some other European small labels. I am making a new collection of the late Baroque music recently and will put more on this forum in the future.  
 
I've learned that you a hifi master from this forum and very nice meeting you.  
 
C.
tenfingers
09-03-12
18:35:16
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tenfingers,  
 
Thanks for the recommendation.  
Though I do not have this disc I believe the recording sound of Harmonia Mundi must be of exceptional quality, especially of baroque music.
kh33
09-03-12
18:14:33
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This is a new version of Bach's violin concertoes ( solo and double). Love the interpretation of Andrew Manze for his treatment on dynamics and tone( bowing is REALLY fast) is quite special and the whole concerto is full of sparkle (quick tempo). He is one of my recent favourite on playing Bach and other Baroque stuff, and the recording is wonderful in my humble opinion. You may watch his videoes on youtube also..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIOh5Iq683o
tenfingers
09-03-12
17:40:42
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Some may find Francescatti too beautiful and romantic for Bach's music.  
The other versions I like are by Grumiaux/Krebber and Milstein/Morini.
kh33
09-03-12
11:11:19
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另一個法比學派的師傅。  
Francescatti的巴哈是流麗婉轉,一氣呵成。
bingor
09-03-12
10:46:53
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impromptu_(1991_film)
tenfingers
09-03-12
00:17:09