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因愛成恨的悲劇:卡門版本比較(四)網誌分類:Bizet | 網誌日期:42分鐘前  
來到第三幕,是女主角「卡門」大表演的時間,在用啤牌測自己命運的一段,女主角內心的掙扎,完全考驗女歌手的感情表達能力。  
 
故事;  
 
在一段長笛與豎琴導奏的音樂聲中,場景移至夜晚的荒山谷地。走私隊伍扛著吃重的行李 ,緩緩爬上山坡(走私者合唱)。在大夥兒暫歇之後,賀塞走到卡門身旁,打算與 卡門講和,卡門卻冷冷地回說她現在已經不像過去那樣愛賀塞了,她請賀塞好自為之。隨 即卡門和同伴拿起了紙牌玩起算命遊戲,不料卻都出現「死亡」的象徵 (樂團奏出「命運主題」):「先是我死、再來就是他 (賀塞)!」卡門雖感無奈,卻也只好接受,因為紙牌是誠實不會說謊的 (紙牌三重唱)。  
 
這一段Callas的長處得到很好的發揮機會,比起Benganza 優雅的表達和Price 略帶黑暗的表現都優勝。  
 
故事;  
 
走私隊伍休息結束之後,即將下山進行交易,只留下賀塞一人留守營地。此時蜜凱拉在山 地嚮導帶領下登場,她此行是要找到已被卡門完全迷住心竅的賀塞,勸他早日回家。在嚮 導離去後,蜜凱拉獨自一人身處荒山野地,她祈求上天保佑,完成使命 (詠歎調:我無所畏懼)。  
 
作曲家對Micaela這個角色可謂照顧有加,两首咏歎調都令人聽出耳油。Micaela是比較純情的,Cotrubas 這方面比Freni 與Guiot都優勝,她像天使般清純的聲音,為這段咏嘆調生色不少。  
 
第四幕描寫了一段因愛成恨的愛情悲劇;  
 
故事:  
 
塞維里亞鬥牛廣場  
 
鬥牛表演當天,廣場上人群攜攘,小販、賭客、觀眾齊聚,等待表演開始。隨後,在群眾 歡呼下,艾斯卡密羅登場 (鬥牛士進行曲);他向一旁的卡門傾訴愛意,願 把在鬥牛表演中的榮耀獻給卡門。此時,弗拉絲基塔與麥賽德絲發現賀塞也混在人群中, 她們提醒卡門要格外當心,但卡門不以為意,並走出鬥牛場外,準備和賀塞把話說明白。 此時的賀塞已經是窮困潦倒,他為了卡門拋棄了軍職與家庭,他請求卡門念在過去之間的 一段情,回心轉意,但卡門不為所動,表示她已不再愛賀塞了。此時鬥牛場中一陣歡呼, 卡門聞聲要轉身進場,賀塞一個箭步擋住卡門的去路,他兩次逼問卡門是不是還愛著鬥牛 士艾斯卡密羅,而卡門不耐賀塞威脅,丟還了賀塞先前送給她的戒指,賀塞一怒之下,拿 起短刀刺進卡門的胸膛。適巧鬥牛表演結束,眾人散場,只見倒在血泊中的卡門、以及趴 在卡門身上痛哭的賀塞!(幕落,劇終)  
 
我相信這段充滿矛盾劇力萬均的情節Callas的表現可謂難以超越,她不僅每字每句都充滿情感,更有強烈的戲劇感,Price 與Benganza 只可說歌唱技巧優美而已,其中Benganza 吐字比較優雅,她的「卡門」感覺較高貴;Price 的演譯此較倉桑。  
 
結論:  
 
「卡門」這套歌劇,實在難以找出最佳版本,如果由Callas 演Carmen, Domingo 演Don Jose, Merrill 演Escamillo,Cotrubas 演Micaela, 加上Vienna Boys Choir 與Vienna Philharmonic 由Karajan 指揮及由Gordon Parry 在維也納黃金廳錄音,可能會是最佳版本,但這也不是沒可能,多買幾個版本在今天並不昂貴,而我實在難以放棄手頭上三個中的任何一個。  
 
CKM
09-01-11
23:23:23
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eric,  
 
The Shafran Bach's cello suite LP is really expensive and hard to find. The sound of Shafran cello and his playing are as you said, unique and romantic.  
Heard Wang Jian played Bach live several years ago, like his approach, much better than that by Maisky. In fact Wang is going to play Bach's suite in the coming Arts festival.
kh33
09-01-11
18:11:03
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Dear Eric,  
 
glad to have you bring up Bach's cello suites. it is my favorite cello work and Shafran is my favorite cellist.
8po
09-01-11
13:19:41
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Listened to Prelude of Bach Cello Suite No.2 from the following recordings.  
 
Shafran , Aulos - DSD remastered, 1969 (a courtesy copy on-loan from George)  
Shafran , Brilliant Classics, 9 Oct 1971  
Rostropovich , EMI, 1991  
Steven Isserlis, Hyperion, Dec 2005  
Jian Wang , DGG, 2003 (or 2004)  
 
 
I find Shafran's high tensile, emotive, expressive, amount of retardation overwrought upon initial listening; but aesthetic, after repeated listening. Retardation, relaxation in rhythm is even more in his 1971 recording. In general, Shafran’s slow movements please me a lot.  
 
For romantic affiliation, Shafran will be your cup of tea. Once switch to Rostropovich, you will feel Rostropovich's "clean and lean", not to mention Isserlis. Shafran's Bach is very different from Rostropovich’s.  
 
Wang sounds elegant with less intensity. His bowing is rather unique among the few cellists here, "separate bow" for most of the pieces. It takes me, perhaps forever, to get used to, Allemande in No.2 is an example. Is it individuality? Downside of his "separate bow" is mechanical, like handsawing by a carpenter, in a fixed rhythm.  
 
Both Shafran are relatively closely recorded, the cello sounds a few feet away, with less ambience when compare to the others. The one in Brilliant Classics sounds dry while the DSD re-mastered Aulos is superior. After all, audiophile may find Wang's recording more promising, sonically.  
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/erickftang2008/article?new=1&mid=74
erictang
09-01-10
14:56:23
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For Beethoven Violin Concerto, my ratings:  
 
Milstein/Leinsdorf 5/5  
Kogan//Kondrashin 5/3  
Oistrakh/Cluytens 5/5  
Heifetz/Munch 5/4
kh33
09-01-08
10:32:41
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Browising through the list provided by Eric I found two names conspicuously abesent,Heifetz and Milstein, the Kaiser and Saint of violinist. If Wong listened to Heifetz solely on CD, I do not think it did him justice as I find the sound of Heifetz cold and sterile,esp those early CDs, but LP is another matter.Just as Callas the sound of Heifetz is difficult to reproduce to satisfaction. But if you listened to the living stereoRCA lp,esp. through through tube amplification, you will be intoxicated. As Beethoven Violin concerto is perhaps the richest of the four or five greatest works Heifetz has brought to bear upon it the powers, musical,technical and spiritual.  
So I love the playings by Milstein for his dignified poetry, Heifetz for the perfect technique,Kogan for his boldness and assertiveness and Oistrakh for his sweet tone and affection.
kh33
09-01-07
23:48:21
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Schubert Impromptus D.935 - Horszowski  
 
A CD from Central Library with Schubert Impromptus D.935 by Horszowski today.  
 
This is my first encounter of Horszowski and I have listened to his Schubert Impromptus D.935. Despite the numerous wrong notes, it is more or less the approach I prefer with a few minor exceptions, eg in No.1, his loud and less pedal approach at ~1:35 to 1:48.  
 
I like his No.4 of D.935. But, perhaps due to his fast tempo, those trills and running scales are not crispy enough. It’s a pity that No.4 is incomplete (due to program’s length surpassed the tape reel’s capacity) else I can listen to his coda, a passage I like, in particular if played broadly.  
 
http://www.classical.com/album/669910620953  
 
 
http://www.arbiterrecords.com/notes/145notes.html
erictang
09-01-07
23:30:36
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看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------26 points (music)/ 23 point (sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------26 points (music)/ 22 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------14 points (music)/ 17 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------14points (music) / 11 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------14 poinst (music)/ 11 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------13 points ( music)/ 15 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------10points (music)/ 10 point(sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------9 points (music)/ 9 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 9points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein-------------------------------------------8 points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.-8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.----------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt-------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Solti-----------------------------------7 points (music)/ 8 points (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------- 5 points (music)/ 8 points (sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)/4 points (sonic)  
Kissin/ Levine----------------------------------------4 points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ----------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Katchen / Piero Gamba ------------------------4 points ( music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
Gilels/Leopold Ludwig ---------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) --------------------4 points (music) / 3 points sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn-------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache-----------------------4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell---------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-07
23:18:09
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「卡門」歌劇中第二幂有三首名曲,分別由主角「卡門」,男低音鬥牛士Escamillo, 與男主角Don Jose 唱出。  
 
故事:  
 
塞維里亞城牆邊的小酒館  
 
在酒客、走私客、吉普賽人混雜的昏暗小酒館中,卡門和兩位女伴─弗拉絲基塔、以及麥 賽德絲─隨著熱烈激盪的吉普賽舞曲翩然起舞 (吉普賽之歌)。  
 
這首吉普賽之歌,三位女高音繼續維持本身的特色。Price 用比較慢的速度,磁性的聲音,唱出此段節奏強勁的音樂。Bengenza則比較高貴,在我聽來Bengenza 的咬字是比較有法國口音(法語有很多卷脷及鼻音,是十分優雅好聽的語言)。Callas 也很出色,維持她每字每句均表現真情的特色。  
 
就在酒店老闆宣布打烊時間已到、眾人即將離去之際,外頭又湧進另一批群眾,原來是鬥 牛士艾斯卡米羅在眾人擁簇之下,來到酒店中小小慶祝一番,原本要離開的酒客為了一睹 鼎鼎大名的艾斯卡米羅的真面目,又都留了下來,而艾斯卡米羅為了答謝眾人支持,唱起 了著名的「鬥牛士之歌」,敘述鬥牛場上的緊張與刺激。  
 
這首鬥牛士之歌,Robert Merrill 唱得很好,霸氣十足,將鬥牛場上的鮮血與熱汗表達得栩栩如生,Sherrin Milnes 表現也不過不失;獨是Robert Massard 真是節奏散亂,霸氣全失。  
 
故事:  
 
末了,艾斯卡米羅注意到坐在一旁的卡門,他原本想向這位誘人的吉普賽女子獻 上殷勤,未料卡門卻回上一句:「現在要愛上你是不可能的。」但艾斯卡米羅仍滿懷希望 離去。  
 
終於等到大夥兒散去,兩位走私頭子─丹凱羅與雷門達多─上場了。他們宣稱有一筆好生 意可做,但是需要女士們的協助;卡門則表示,她現在正沉醉在愛情中,工作對她來說則 是其次,兩位走私頭子和卡門的兩位女伴大感意外,趕忙要她想清楚點 (五重唱:有一筆好生意要做)。 此時遠方傳來了一陣嘹亮的歌聲,卡門跑到窗前一看,原來是她「現在」的心上人唐賀塞 來了!卡門為了達謝賀塞為她所做的犧牲,於是翩然起舞,以饗愛人;好巧不巧,就在賀 塞沉醉於卡門曼妙舞姿  
 
的同時,遠方傳來了軍隊歸營的號角聲,賀塞雖捨不得卡門,但是又顧及軍職與榮譽,打 算忍痛離去,此舉惹得卡門大為不悅,於是賀塞掏出卡門先前丟給他、而現在早已「由紅 轉黃」的那朵小花,藉此證明他對卡門的愛意。賀塞告訴卡門,當他在獄中,每日都會看 著這朵花、思念著卡門 (花之歌)  
 
Don Jose 三個版本中,Domingo 的表現可謂情深感人;Corelli 歌聲更像王子將軍,畧覺粗豪。Gedda則中規中矩,比不上Domingo。  
CKM
09-01-07
23:16:17
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Only listened to limited versions of Beethoven Violin Concerto. Do like the following very much.  
 
1. Menuhin/Furtwangler - 1954  
2. Kreisler/Leo Blech - 1926  
3. Francescatti/Walter - 1961  
 
BenYC
09-01-07
21:23:41
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Research in Szeryng's discography indicates that the reading with Jorge Mester in Canada was recorded and filmed in Nov 1984.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-07
11:09:47
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6. Henryk Szeryng ( Vai DVD) Orch Symphonique de Radio Canada / Jorge Mester  
DVD Live 25 Dec 1988  
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But Henryk Szeryng died on 3 March 1988................??  
 
Or was it February 1988 when he was making his lasting concert tour in Germany which started with the Beethoven violin concerto on 28 Feb and ended with the Brahms violin concerto on 1 March when he fell into a coma after the concert and died 1 day later, realizing what he said in 1978 when interviewed by the Mexican newspaper "Excelsior" in response to a question "what would you do if you had only one more hour to live" and Szeryng said "I would play the Brahms concerto"!  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-07
10:57:54
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An arrangement of the work as a piano concerto exists as opus 61a, although it is uncertain[3] whether the task was undertaken by Beethoven. There is evidence, however, to suggest that it was completed by a contemporary who was left some instruction by the composer to the manner in which to arrange the solo line[3]. Regardless, Beethoven did write his own cadenzas for the arrangement which unusually feature the timpani as well as the solo instrument, possibly a reference to the opening timpani motif. These were later arranged for the violin by the 20th century violinists Max Rostal and Wolfgang Schneiderhan.  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto_(Beethoven)  
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Hi all  
 
Any Opus 61a recommendation?  
 
John  
 
 
http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-TW&q=beethoven+Op.+61a&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Gingers
09-01-07
06:06:40
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Beethoven Violin Concerto in D  
 
1. Fritz Kreisler (HMV / Strings) London Philh Orch / John Barbirolli  
June 1936 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
2. Georg Kulenkampff (Teldec / Dutton) Berline Philh / Hans Schmidt-isserstedt  
25 June 1936 in Berlin  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
3. David Oistrakh (Col./EMI) Stockholm Festival Orch / Sixten Ehrling  
1954 in Stockholm  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
4. David Oistrakh (Melodiya / Brilliant Classics) USSR State Sym Orch / Gennady Rozhdestvensky  
Live 25 Dec 1962 in Moscow  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
5. David Oistrakh (Weitbuck) Staatskapelle Berlin / Franz Konwitschny  
Live 14 Oct 1960 at Staatsoper Berlin  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
6. Henryk Szeryng ( Vai DVD) Orch Symphonique de Radio Canada / Jorge Mester  
DVD Live 25 Dec 1988  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
7. Henryk Szeryng ( BBC / Testament) Philharmonia Orch / Otto Klemperer  
Live 16 Nov 1959 at Royal Festival Hall, London  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
8. Henryk Szeryng (Pathé/Arlecchino) Paris Conservatoire Orch / Jacques Thibaud  
1950 in Paris  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
9. Zino Francescatti (Albersen Music Publishers, Den Haag DVD) Netherlands Radio Philh Orch / Jean Fournet  
DVD Live 13 May 1973 in Turfschip, Breda  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
10. Zino Francescatti (Columbia / Biddulph ) Philadelphia Orch / Eugene Ormandy  
1950 in Philadelphia  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
11. Zino Francescatti (Archipel) New York Philh Orch / Dimitri Mitropoulos  
Live 26 Oct 1952 in New York  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
12. Zino Francescatti (Andante) Concertgebouw Orch / Eduard Van Beinum  
Live 1958 in Amsterdam  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
13. Wolfgang Schneiderhan (BBC Legands) London Sym Orch / Istvan Kertesz  
Live 13 March 1964 at Royal Festival Hall, London  
Cadenze di Beethoven- Schneiderhan  
 
14. Wolfgang Schneiderhan (DGG) Berlin Philh / Wilhelm Furtwangler  
Live 1953 in Berlin  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
15. Camilla Wicks (Music & Arts) New York Philh Orch / Bruno Walter  
Live 15 Feb 1953 in New York  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
16. Berl Senofsky (Colubal d’amour) Boston Sym Orch / Pierre Monteux  
Live 9 Aug 1958 at Tanglewood  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
Fritz Kreisler was an honored guest at the concert  
 
17. Franco Gulli (Musidisc) Colonne Concerts Orch  
1978 in Paris  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
18. Arthur Grumiaux (Philips) New Philharmonia Orch / Alceo Galliera  
1966 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
19. Alfredo Campoli (Decca / Beulah) London Sym Orch / Josef Krips  
1952 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
20. Leonid Kogan (Melodiya / Arlecchino) Moscow Philp Orch / Kirill Kondrashin  
Live 1962 in Moscow  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
21. Philippe Hirshhorn (Cypres) Orch National de Belgique / Ronald Zollman  
Live 30 Jan 1990 in Bruxelles  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
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Many of the abovce are strangers to me.  
If I have to pick up the most interesting one to me.  
It will be  
 
15. Camilla Wicks (Music & Arts) New York Philh Orch / Bruno Walter  
Live 15 Feb 1953 in New York  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
The Beethoven concerto, played with conductor Bruno Walter in New York City (I am guessing) on February 15, 1953, receives a glorious performance. (Apparently Wicks was visibly pregnant at the time!) She plays with entirely appropriate classical purity and attention to both form and tone. If a Greek goddess could play the violin, it would sound like this. (She plays the Kreisler cadenzas in the first and third movements.) In 1953, Walter's conducting was not nearly as cozy as it would become in the following decade, when he made his series of "Indian summer" recordings with the so-called Columbia Symphony Orchestra. In fact, Walter is surprisingly volatile here, although never outside of reasonable stylistic bounds. Together, they make "beautiful music," as the cliché goes. This is one of the best performances of the Beethoven I've ever heard.  
 
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http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=217
Gingers
09-01-07
05:45:55
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Thank Elvis of Clazz CD Shop and Mr. Wong, a 80+ years old violinist for letting me to share Wong's recommended Beethoven Violin Concerto recordings as below. It is converted from Wong's scanned manuscript, please help to proofread.  
 
Beethoven Violin Concerto in D  
 
1. Fritz Kreisler (HMV / Strings) London Philh Orch / John Barbirolli  
June 1936 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
2. Georg Kulenkampff (Teldec / Dutton) Berline Philh / Hans Schmidt-isserstedt  
25 June 1936 in Berlin  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
3. David Oistrakh (Col./EMI) Stockholm Festival Orch / Sixten Ehrling  
1954 in Stockholm  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
4. David Oistrakh (Melodiya / Brilliant Classics) USSR State Sym Orch / Gennady Rozhdestvensky  
Live 25 Dec 1962 in Moscow  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
5. David Oistrakh (Weitbuck) Staatskapelle Berlin / Franz Konwitschny  
Live 14 Oct 1960 at Staatsoper Berlin  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
6. Henryk Szeryng ( Vai DVD) Orch Symphonique de Radio Canada / Jorge Mester  
DVD Live 25 Dec 1988  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
7. Henryk Szeryng ( BBC / Testament) Philharmonia Orch / Otto Klemperer  
Live 16 Nov 1959 at Royal Festival Hall, London  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
8. Henryk Szeryng (Pathé/Arlecchino) Paris Conservatoire Orch / Jacques Thibaud  
1950 in Paris  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
9. Zino Francescatti (Albersen Music Publishers, Den Haag DVD) Netherlands Radio Philh Orch / Jean Fournet  
DVD Live 13 May 1973 in Turfschip, Breda  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
10. Zino Francescatti (Columbia / Biddulph ) Philadelphia Orch / Eugene Ormandy  
1950 in Philadelphia  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
11. Zino Francescatti (Archipel) New York Philh Orch / Dimitri Mitropoulos  
Live 26 Oct 1952 in New York  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
12. Zino Francescatti (Andante) Concertgebouw Orch / Eduard Van Beinum  
Live 1958 in Amsterdam  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
13. Wolfgang Schneiderhan (BBC Legands) London Sym Orch / Istvan Kertesz  
Live 13 March 1964 at Royal Festival Hall, London  
Cadenze di Beethoven- Schneiderhan  
 
14. Wolfgang Schneiderhan (DGG) Berlin Philh / Wilhelm Furtwangler  
Live 1953 in Berlin  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
15. Camilla Wicks (Music & Arts) New York Philh Orch / Bruno Walter  
Live 15 Feb 1953 in New York  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
16. Berl Senofsky (Colubal d’amour) Boston Sym Orch / Pierre Monteux  
Live 9 Aug 1958 at Tanglewood  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
Fritz Kreisler was an honored guest at the concert  
 
17. Franco Gulli (Musidisc) Colonne Concerts Orch  
1978 in Paris  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
18. Arthur Grumiaux (Philips) New Philharmonia Orch / Alceo Galliera  
1966 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
19. Alfredo Campoli (Decca / Beulah) London Sym Orch / Josef Krips  
1952 in London  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
20. Leonid Kogan (Melodiya / Arlecchino) Moscow Philp Orch / Kirill Kondrashin  
Live 1962 in Moscow  
Cadenze di Joachim  
 
21. Philippe Hirshhorn (Cypres) Orch National de Belgique / Ronald Zollman  
Live 30 Jan 1990 in Bruxelles  
Cadenze di Kreisler  
 
erictang
09-01-07
00:47:53
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I love this "PIANO" version of Beethoven Op.61 :-)  
 
Gingers
09-01-07
00:03:29
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Rating on two more Emperor:  
1. Gilels/Leopold Ludwig ---------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
2. Katchen / Piero Gamba ------------------------4 points ( music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
 
I always find Katchen's fingering is uneven on those fast running scales, eg those in the 3rd movement. You can afford to miss his Beethoven Piano Concerto No.5 but not for his Choral Fantasy.  
 
Gilels' slow movement reminds me his beautifully played slow movement of Hammerklavier.  
erictang
09-01-06
14:09:10
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This one seems not found in cp's photo! Trust me, it is one of the best!  
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ils2009,  
 
Do you think I will miss Krebbers? His reading of Beethoven's vc is included in the Philips Duo album of Beethoven Complete Concertos. :-)  
 
cpsjj
09-01-06
13:49:32
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I'd try my best to keep an open mind!  
 
Hence, the poll conducted here, thanks CKM for all his strenuous efforts, serves as a very useful guide to direct my future purchases. Strictly speaking I should have more than enough software to keep myself engrossed 365 days a year, and as a matter of fact, I have rarely bought new records for almost 15 years. Yet when the best of the best is elected, I'd hardly hesitate to add to my collection. It makes me feel more accomplished.  
 
^_^  
 
 
limage
09-01-06
10:58:15
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I'm not a fans of Horowitz  
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You may not be a big fan of Horowitz but there is just no better interpretation of Scriabin's work other than Horowitz.  
 
Why not try one on this birthday of Scriabin today.  
 
cpsjj
09-01-06
10:09:22
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純情的未婚妻與誘人的萬人迷-「卡門」版本比較(二)網誌分類:Bizet | 網誌日期:34分鐘前  
一曲Herbenera 之後,Don Jose 心如鹿撞,家中有待嫁的未婚妻Miceala,情深一往,賢良淑德,眼前又有一熱情豪放,浪漫誘人的Carmen,究竟如何抉擇,在第一幕終結前有两首精彩的對唱:  
 
故事:  
 
一曲即畢,賀塞仍然未正眼瞧卡門一眼, 卡門遂主動走上前去搭訕,並且從胸口掏出一朵 紅花,朝賀塞扔去。在眾人取笑賀賽聲中,卡門又如旋風似地離去, 只剩下賽仍在卡門 這一丟所造成的小小震撼之中。忽然在賀塞背後傳來一陣輕聲呼喚,回頭一看, 原來是蜜 凱拉來了!她帶來了賀塞母親的問候與一封信,賀塞在感受親情溫暖之餘, 彷彿又見到了 美麗的家鄉與慈祥的母親, 並且在心中默許將要娶蜜凱拉為妻 (二重唱:母親的問候), 而蜜凱拉又是一陣害羞 ,藉口說要去街上買點東西,稍後再回來拿賀賽寫給母親的信。  
 
三個版本中,我最喜愛由Domingo 與Cotrubas 對唱的版本,Domingo 情深動人的聲線,配以Cotrubas畧為纖細的聲音,把這個害羞的情人描劃得生動極了。Corelli 與Freni 的版本也不俗,只是Corelli 的氣息比較宏亮英雄,反宜不適合Don Jose 這個把持不定的小士兵,Freni 也不夠純真;Gedda 與Guiot 不過不失,還是Domingo / Cotrubas 比較感人。  
 
故事:  
 
就在蜜凱拉走開沒多久,煙廠裡傳來尖叫與打鬥聲。卡門和另外一名女工發生爭執,大打 出手,其餘女工則各自擁護一方,相互指責對方。騎兵隊隊長祖尼卡指派賀賽進入工廠內 調查,並且將卡門逮捕到案。紛亂終告一段落,隨後眾人散去,廣場上只剩下卡門與賀賽 兩人,卡門誘惑賀塞把她放走,並且和她前往城牆邊一家小酒館飲酒作樂 (塞桂迪拉舞曲);賀塞原先還嚴詞拒絕,但終究 抵擋不了卡門魔力般的吸引力,遂解開了綑綁卡門雙手的繩子,卡門則和賀塞串通好,在 押送她前往監獄的路上,她會出奇不意地把賀塞撞倒,然後再一溜煙地逃走。被迷惑已深 的賀塞竟然答應了卡門的要求,而這樣天真的想法當然是要付出代價的;最後賀塞則被隊 長祖尼卡拔除肩上官階,下令收押坐監。  
 
剛送走純情的Micaela,又來了野性誘人的Carmen,Seguedile 二重唱裹Carmen 極晝挑逗之能事。Callas 演譯之Carmen 維持一貫每字皆洋溢直情的特色;Leontyne Price 在這段唱得太好了,畧帶奸險陰暗的音色,具磁性的造句,把這段唱得活靈活現:Berganza則比較斯文,惟節奏掌握也不俗。  
 
 
 
CKM
09-01-05
17:25:15
回覆 (21): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------26 points (music)/ 23 point (sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------26 points (music)/ 22 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------14 points (music)/ 17 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------14points (music) / 11 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------14 poinst (music)/ 11 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------13 points ( music)/ 15 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------10points (music)/ 10 point(sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------9 points (music)/ 9 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 9points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein-------------------------------------------8 points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.-8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.----------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt-------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Solti-----------------------------------7 points (music)/ 8 points (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------- 5 points (music)/ 8 points (sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)/4 points (sonic)  
Kissin/ Levine----------------------------------------4 points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ----------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) --------------------4 points (music) / 3 points sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn-------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache-----------------------4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell---------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-05
10:47:27
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My rating on the Emperor (scores of #1 to #7 have already counted on 3Jan):  
 
1. Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------3 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
2. Arrau/Haitink (1964)------------------------5 points ( music)/ 5 point(sonic)  
3. Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
4. Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------4 points (music) /3 points (sonic)  
5. Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn--------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
6. Horowitz / Reiner---------------------------------4 points (music) / 2 point (sonic)  
7. Alica de Larrocha / Metha ------------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
 
8. Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------5 points (music)/ 4 point (sonic)  
9. Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------3 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
10. Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------3 point ( music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
11. Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 3 points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
12. Ashkennazy/Solti------------------------------- 3 points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
 
Remarks:  
1. Rubinstein/Barenboim - the piano sounds very up front with orchestra fills up the back as support, collabration between piano and orchestra is OK but they  
seem to be recorded seperately.  
8. Kempff/Leitner 錄音雖不是示範級,演奏亦沒有刺激的樂段,但音樂流暢自然,如行雲流水般.  
鏗鏘的琴音就如閃爍的水晶掛於空氣中.  
10. Kovacevich/Davis 第二樂章開始時琴太輕聲了, 第三樂章裡的快速音階有點急和亂.
erictang
09-01-05
00:01:53
回覆 (19): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
 
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------23 points (music)/ 19 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------14 points (music)/ 17 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------14points (music) / 11 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------14 poinst (music)/ 11 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------10 points ( music)/ 11 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------10points (music)/ 10 point(sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------9 points (music)/ 9 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 9points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein-------------------------------------------8 points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.-8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.----------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt-------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)/4 points (sonic)  
Kissin/ Levine----------------------------------------4 points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ----------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Solti-----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) --------------------4 points (music) / 3 points sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn-------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache-----------------------4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------- 2 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell---------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-04
21:33:14
回覆 (18): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
 
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------23 points (music)/ 19 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------21 points (music)/ 19 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------14 points (music)/ 17 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------14points (music) / 11 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------14 poinst (music)/ 11 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------10 points ( music)/ 11 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------10points (music)/ 10 point(sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------9 points (music)/ 9 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 9points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein-------------------------------------------8 points (music) / 8 points (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.-8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.----------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt-------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)/4 points (sonic)  
Kissin/ Levine----------------------------------------4 points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ----------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic) Ashkennazy/Solti-----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) --------------------4 points (music) / 3 points sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother----------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn-------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache-----------------------4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------- 2 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell---------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-04
21:32:25
回覆 (17): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Perahia/Haitink ----------------------------------- 4 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)--------------------------------- 5 points (music) / 4 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------4 points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------4 poinst (music) / 4 point(sonic) (CD)  
 
 
Kissin/ Levine.......................................4 points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------4 points ( music)/ 3 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------4 points (music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
 
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------4 points (music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 4points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
 
 
Ashkennazy/Solti--------------------------------- 4 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Horst Stein----------------------------------4 point (music)/ 4 point(sonic)  
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Finally I dug out my Kempff/ Leitner (The Originals CD version). It was still brandnew.!!!!  
 
My vote is  
4 points (music)/ 3 points (sonic)  
 
Gingers
09-01-04
16:10:24
回覆 (16): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
(jules have review his scoring)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------19 points (music)/ 14 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------17 points (music)/ 16 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------16 points (music)/ 15 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------10 points (music)/ 13 point (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------10points (music) /7 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 poinst (music)/ 7 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.---------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------6 points ( music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------6points (music)/ 6 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------5 points (music)/ 5 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 5points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)/4 points (sonic)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ---------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) -------------------4 points (music) / 3 points sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother---------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein-------------------------------------------4 points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache--------------------- 4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 2 points (music)/ 4 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-04
14:01:37
回覆 (13): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
此劇名曲甚多,情節感人,令人常沉醉於音樂之中,由誰演唱都很動容,故要決出高下並不容易  
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erictang is right. My problem is I got too easily carried away by the music and forgot I was actually evaluating that I didn't take note what I should be looking for; and most of the time will have to start all over again.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-04
13:32:50
回覆 (42): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Last time I didn't offer the sonic ratings, so I 'd a quick listen to the #5 versions I 've on hand again this morning:  
 
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)-------------------------------5 music / 4 sonic  
Perahia/Hatink -------------------------------------5 music / 4 sonic  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 music / 4 sonic  
Arrau/Davis(1980)-------------------------------- 4 music / 4 sonic  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 music / 4 sonic  
Kempff/Van Kempen (1953) (sorry guys I 'v mistaken its as Leitner in my last scoring)--------------4 music / 3 sonic (mono)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim----------------------------3 music / 5 sonic  
Ashkennazy/Mehta--------------------------------2 music / 4 sonic  
 
New contestant (from the recent release EMI Yuri Egorov boxset, his chopin is very nice by the way):  
Egorov / Sawallisch ------------------------------ 4 music (borderline) / 3 sonic  
 
It is also interesting to observe Backhaus has the shortest playing time:  
 
(19:39/7:19/10:28) vs the slowest being Rubinstein (22:39/9:22/11:01). And the slowest second movement goes to Egorov scoring 9:45!!  
 
jules
09-01-04
12:47:50
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-->「卡門」全劇長達两個半小時,劇中有四位主角,分別為唱女中音的「卡門」,唱女高音的Micaela, 唱男高音的Don Jose,唱男中音的Escamillo,連同樂隊及合唱團,實在有太多變數,其次此劇名曲甚多,情節感人,令人常沉醉於音樂之中,由誰演唱都很動容,故要決出高下並不容易。  
 
That's what I meant by  
"由於能耐所限,我只能對 Carmen 裡的 Havanaise 一曲作局部的討論" :-)  
 
印象中 Callas 唱 Carmen 死的那幕很特別,也很精彩.
erictang
09-01-04
11:49:04
回覆 (11): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
「卡門」版本比拼網誌分類:Other Classical music | 網誌日期:2009-01-04 09:51  
「卡門」是一套寫實主義的悲劇,由比才完成於1847年。在北京道一号(1pekingroad.com)的開張宴上議決要為「卡門」作版本比較,回家後發覺甚為艱巨。「卡門」全劇長達两個半小時,劇中有四位主角,分別為唱女中音的「卡門」,唱女高音的Micaela, 唱男高音的Don Jose,唱男中音的Escamillo,連同樂隊及合唱團,實在有太多變數,其次此劇名曲甚多,情節感人,令人常沉醉於音樂之中,由誰演唱都很動容,故要決出高下並不容易。  
 
但無論如何,我先就序曲開始逐段來比較,手頭三個精選版本分別為:  
 
Leontyne Price (Carmen)/Franco Corelli ( Don Jose) / Robert Merill ( Escamillo) / Mirella Freni (Micasla) / Vienna philharmonic orchestra/ Vienna state opera chorus/ Vienna boys Choir/ Herbert von Karajan  
 
 
 
Teresa Berganza (Carmen)/ Placido Domingo(Don Jose)/ Sherrill Milnes ( Escamillo )/ Ileana Cotrubas ( Micaela )/ London Symphony Orchestra / The Ambrosian Singers/ George Watson's College Boy's Chorus/ Claudio Abbado  
 
 
 
Maria Callas (Carmen) / Nicolai Gedda ( Don Jose) / Andrea Guiot ( Micaela) / Robert Massard ( Escamillo )/ Paris National opera threatre Orchestra/ Choeur Rene Duclos/ Choeur d'enfants Jean Pesneaud/ Georges Pretre  
 
 
 
「卡門」序曲為一節奏強勁之鬥牛音樂,中段之後風格一轉為一悲劇哀歌,充份表現「卡門」與西班牙音樂的緊密關係與悲劇的特色,在這短短的序曲中,卡拉揚與Vienna Philharmonic 的氣勢着實攝人,開首的舞曲令人聞歌起舞之餘,之後的哀歌也令人傷感,Abbado 用較快的速也未能營造此效果相比就明顯遜一籌。  
 
故事大綱:  
 
塞維里亞城廣場  
 
廣場左側為騎兵隊駐紮軍營,近中午時分,一群官士兵正無趣地看著廣場上人來人往,打 發時間。突然間,人中出現一位神色稍帶慌張小姑娘, 她是來自鄉下的的蜜凱拉,到城 裡要尋找在騎兵隊擔任下士軍職的未婚夫;在騎兵隊士兵詢問之下,才知道她要找的就是 唐賀塞, 但是賀塞此時仍在站崗,蜜凱拉則藉故離開,以免騎兵隊其他士官兵的搭訕。  
未久,遠處傳來由賀塞帶隊回營換班的衛兵的腳步聲, 廣場上的孩童們紛擁而上,模倣 起騎兵隊行進的模樣(士兵之歌)。  
 
由兒童合唱團唱出的「士兵之歌」,Pretre 版與Karajan 版的精選均有收錄,Abbado 版則沒有,實在令之遺憾。這曲是Hi FI 發燒友的試音精品。Karajan 版中可聽到小孩的脚步聲由舞台的右方自遠步近,在台中心停步列隊唱歌(我聽到是兩排,不知道定住大師聽到多少個小童?)再由右邊向後台走去;Pretre 則是一隊小孩由右至左順時針走了一圈。但Vienna Boy's Choir 的表現無論在音色,齊一度,錄音均在Choeur d'enfants Jean Pesneaud 之上。  
 
故事:  
 
在換班時,有一士官轉告賀塞,方才有位女子前來探訪他,並大略描述了對方模樣,賀塞 一聽,知道是來自家鄉的未婚妻蜜凱拉,遂靜候蜜凱拉再度來訪。此時已近中午時分,廣 場對面的煙草廠午休鐘聲響起, 一群煙廠女工蜂湧而出,人手一支煙,來到廣場上和情人 約會(煙廠女工合唱:煙霧繚繞飄向天際)。 忽然間有一群男士們問起:「卡門到哪兒去了?」 隨即就是卡門大剌剌地登場,只見男士 們團團圍住卡門,想一睹她誘人的風采, 但是卡門只對坐在一旁沉默不語、專心做事的賀 塞產生了興趣, 她有意無意地唱著:「愛情就像是一隻難以馴服的小鳥,也像是放浪不羈 的吉普賽孩童,郎雖無心,妹卻有意, 如果你不愛我,而我卻愛上了你,那你可就要當心 了!」(哈巴奈拉舞曲)。  
 
 
在Herbanera 曲三位Carmen 直接交鋒,Teresa Benganza 的演唱比較高貴,聲線甜美;Leontyne Price 的聲線比較陰沉,氣量十足,感覺較「奸」;Maria Callas 真是無可比擬,她變化多端的音色,每字每句都像活生生出自肺腑,簡直就是這曲的典範。  
CKM
09-01-04
11:38:23
回覆 (10): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
cp,  
 
I'm not a fans of Horowitz and I only have a few of his recordings. I encountered his beautifully played Emperor 2nd movement through radio a few years ago  
and listened to his thurdering fast Tchaikovsky piano concerto No.1 3rd movement in a CD shop. Both are unforgettable.  
 
My Horwitz's Beethoven Emperor CD is a copy from George. This mono recording sounds fine to me.
erictang
09-01-03
23:29:21
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lym,  
 
Stating your favorite version is not a good way to support for favorite artist, please vote according to the scheme.  
 
CKM  
CKM
09-01-03
21:43:44
回覆 (41): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------20 points (music)/ 16 point (sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------19 points (music)/ 10 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------------16 points (music)/ 11 point(sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------10points (music) /7 points (sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------10 points (music)/ 8 point (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 poinst (music)/ 3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.8 points (music) /6 points (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.---------------------------------8 points (music) / 5 point (sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------6 points ( music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------6points (music)/ 6 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Arrau/Haitink (1964)-------------------------------5 points (music)/ 5 point(sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 5points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt-----------------5 points (music)  
Alica de Larrocha / Metha ---------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
Gieseking / Rother--------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn-----------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 points (music)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache--------------------- 4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 2 points (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-03
21:42:21
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My favorite
lym
09-01-03
20:37:51
回覆 (10): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Highly respectable for an emperor by a lady.
lym
09-01-03
20:27:24
回覆 (9): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
Horowitz / Reiner---------------------------------4 points (music) / 2 point (sonic)  
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erictang,  
 
I'm glad you put your eye on Horowitz. Horowitz is infamous as a Beethoven idiot but this concerto no.5 with Reiner is just outright commendable (and probably the only one).  
 
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-03
18:22:53
回覆 (8): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
My rating on the Emperor:  
 
1. Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------3 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
2. Arrau/Haitink (1964)------------------------5 points ( music)/ 5 point(sonic)  
3. Arrau/Davis(1980)---------------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
 
4. Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------4 points (music) /3 points (sonic)  
5. Curzon/Han Knapplertsbuscn--------------------4 points (music) / 3 points (sonic)  
6. Horowitz / Reiner---------------------------------4 points (music) / 2 point (sonic)  
7. Alica de Larrocha / Metha ------------------------4 points (music) / 4 point (sonic)  
 
Remarks:  
1. Rubinstein/Barenboim - the piano sounds very up front with orchestra fills up the back as support, collabration between piano and orchestra is OK but they  
seem to be recorded seperately.  
 
There are still a few more Emperor to go, I will be back.
erictang
09-01-03
17:59:09
回覆 (12): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台-Emperor
 
Bravo!  
 
Kempff / Leitner wins !  
 
 
limage
09-01-03
14:55:35
回覆 (11): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台-Emperor
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------20 points (music)/ 16 point (sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------19 points (music)/ 10 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(19800--------------------------------12 points (music)/ 7 point(sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------.10points (music) /7 points (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 poinst (music)/ 3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------7 points (music)/ 5 point (sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------6 points ( music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------6points (music)/ 6 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 5points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 points (music)  
Gieseking / Rother--------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.---------------------------------4 points (music) / 3 point (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.4 points (music) /3 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 points (music)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache--------------------- 4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 2 points (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-03
14:32:57