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回覆 (10): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台-Emperor
 
 
Thanks for kh reminding me of Giles/Szell. It was my favourite Emperor back in my LP years simply because of George Szell. Szell was my favourite conductor when I was in the States and before I come to know more about Furtwangler. I think I have the complete collection of Szell's LPs in the CBS Great Performances series.  
 
Can I supplement my vote to Giles/Szell at 5/3.  
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-03
14:11:59
回覆 (9): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台-Emperor
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
 
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------20 points (music)/ 16 point (sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------19 points (music)/ 10 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(19800--------------------------------12 points (music)/ 7 point(sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 poinst (music)/ 3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------7 points (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------7 points (music)/ 5 point (sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------6 points ( music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------6points (music)/ 6 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5points (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Gilels/Szell------------------------------------------.5points (music) /4 points (sonic)  
Zimerman/Bernstein------------------------------ 5points (music) / 4 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5points (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera-------------5points (music)/3 points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 points (music)  
Gieseking / Rother--------------------------------4 points (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.---------------------------------4 points (music) / 3 point (sonic)  
Casadesus/Rosbaud----------------------------.4 points (music) /3 points (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 points (music)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache--------------------- 4 points(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 2 points (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-03
13:57:38
回覆 (8): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台-Emperor
Among other great recordings comment by fellows, I try not to miss my favourite modern ver. of Emperor. ie  
 
Zimerman/Bernstein...........(4.5-5/4)
8po
09-01-03
11:48:36
回覆 (7): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
My ratings on the Emperor:  
 
Walter Gieseking/Alceo Galliera...........5/3  
Kempff/Leitner.....................................5/3  
Gilels/Szell.........................................5/4  
Casadesus/Rosbaud............................4/3  
I wonder why no one picked Gilels. I must admitted Gilels is my favourite pianist.His technique is hard to fault. His collaboration with Szell( in my mind another great Beethoveen interpreter) produced a record that sounds right in every sense, articulation, phrasing,tempo,,and the leonine style of this Beethoven 5th concerto.  
 
For Schubert's impromtus, let's not forget there is S. Richter. If Brendel is good and capable, Richter is great and stunning. Listen to his lyrical impromtu 2 in A-flat Major where Schubert widely used sharp dynamic confrontations and tempo contras, Richter protrats them all.  
 
For Carmen I choose Callas/Pretre. Why? Because it is Callas and she is my goddes of prima donna. Of course, other cast are also great,these include Gedda as Jose,Andrea Guiot as Micaela,Massard as Escamillo. All these are back up by the specialist of French opera--George Pretre.  
So rating is ----5/5. In case any one doubt about the sonics, I must say that EMI is the best company to produce and record opera and the sound quality is excellent despite its age.
kh33
09-01-03
01:04:02
回覆 (60): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
My list of Bizet's Carmen:  
 
1. Horne/Bernstein/Metropolitan Opera Orchestra/DG  
2. de Los Angeles/Beecham/Orchestre National de la Radiodiffusion Francaise/EMI  
3. Bumbry/de Burgos/Orchestre der Theatre Nationale de l'Oper de Paris/EMI  
4. Baltsa/Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker/DG  
5. Julia Migenes Johnson/Mazzel/Orchestre National de France/Erato  
6. Norman/Ozawa/Orchestre National de France/Philips  
7. Callas/Pretre/Orchestre der Theatre Nationale de l'Oper de Paris/EMI  
8. Resnik/Schippers/L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande/Decca  
9. Te Kanawa/Solti/The London Philharmonic Orchestra/Decca  
10. Price/Karajan/Vienna Philharmonic/RCA  
11. Berganza/Abbado/London Symphony Orchestra
erictang
09-01-03
00:24:02
回覆 (41): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hello CKM,  
 
"Horowitz: The Studio Recordings, New York 1985" has been my only Horowitz record until a few years ago. From this LP, I reckon his style of playing - feather light. If my memory is correct, you can hear his hands run from left to right and vice versa on the keyboard while playing those running scales.  
 
Scriabin's Etudes is one of the piece I like in this recording.  
 
erictang
09-01-02
22:34:20
回覆 (42): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
BenYC,  
 
Please vote by giving mark as listed above.  
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I did try but find giving marks very hard. Many versions have their own mertis. Just like sweet and salty, which one is better? This is all mood depending and can change over time. Plus, my system sucks in general. I cannot distinguish which recording is better or worse.....  
 
To avoid being misleading, I better stay at the side line.  
 
Yup, always a lost soul .... and should not be surprising to friends here....
BenYC
09-01-02
21:15:20
回覆 (41): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
BenYC,  
 
Please vote by giving mark as listed above.  
_________________________________  
 
I did try but find giving marks but think it is very hard. Many versions has its own mertis. Just like sweet and salty, which one is better? This is all mood depending and can change over time. Plus, my system sucks in general. I cannot distinguish which recording is better or worse.....  
 
To avoid being misleading, I better stay at the side line.  
 
Yup, always a lost soul .... and should not be surprising to friends here....
BenYC
09-01-02
21:14:04
回覆 (40): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
BenYC,  
 
Please vote by giving mark as listed above.  
 
eric,  
 
I found Curzon excellent, but the best Schubert Impromptus I have heard of was by Horowitz in his `1985 studio recording' on DG, the color and fingering was unsurpassed.  
 
I dislike the playing of Brendel, except his Schubert recording, but his tone and phasing is by no mean as good as Horowitz.
CKM
09-01-02
20:22:06
回覆 (39): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
I think BenYC voted on Michelangeli / Celibidache but hasn't given the scores.  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
20:15:03
回覆 (38): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------19 point (music)/ 10 point (sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------15 point (music)/ 13 point (sonic)  
Arrau/Davis(19800--------------------------------12 point (music)/ 7 point(sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 point (music)/ 3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------7 point (Music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------7 point (music)/ 5 point (sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------6point (music)/ 6 point(sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------6 point ( music)/ 8 point(sonic)  
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski--------------------5point (music) / 5 points (sonic)  
Fischer / Furtwangler----------------------------.5point (music) / 3points (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 point (music)  
Gieseking / Rother--------------------------------4 point (music)/ 3 point (sonic)  
Horowitz / Reiner.---------------------------------4 point (music) / 3 point (sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 point (music)  
Michelangeli / Celibidache--------------------- 4 point(music)/ 4point (sonic)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta------------------------------- 2 point (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/ 1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-02
19:10:03
回覆 (56): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Schubert Impromptus  
 
Just note there is typo in my posting at 15:38 today, it should read:  
 
I like these pieces to be played in a sort of 欲斷還斷,死唔斷氣 way, as in his 1975 recording.  
 
 
CP, is the Gieseking Schubert Impromptus stereo ?  
I may try the ones by Lupu as well.
erictang
09-01-02
16:37:02
回覆 (56): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
On Schubert's Impromptus, Curzon is hard to beat; may be only bettered by Pires.  
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
16:24:40
回覆 (55): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
One more Schubert Impromptus  
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erictang,  
 
If you like Gieseking's piano concerto, I'm sure you will enjoy his Impromptus even more.  
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
16:22:44
回覆 (6): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Rating by limage on Emperor available :  
 
Perahia/Haitink ----------------------------------- 4 / 3  
 
Arrau/Davis(1980)-------------------------------- 3 / 3  
 
Kempff/Leitner-------------------------------------. 5 / 4  
 
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)-------------------- 3 / 2  
 
Rubinstein/Barenboim--------------------------- 4 / 5  
 
 
limage
09-01-02
15:57:49
回覆 (5): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
New Generation :-)  
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Gingers,  
 
You might want to add this into your collection of new generation Beethoven Violin Concerto. This is a very good reading, and in my opinion much better than Hahn. I come to know Znaider with his exceptionally well played Prokofiev.  
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
15:41:39
回覆 (54): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
One more Schubert Impromptus  
 
Just locate the Brendel Schubert Impromptus CD from my library, digital recording of 1988.  
When compare to his No.1 & no.2 of D.935 1975 recording, Brendel plays faster in the 1988 recording and with more brilliant timbre instead of sombre.  
 
I these pieces to be played in a sort of 欲斷還斷,死唔斷氣 way, as in his 1975 recording.  
 
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Impromptus-Opp-90-142/dp/B0000040ZU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1230881914&sr=8-2
erictang
09-01-02
15:38:52
回覆 (37): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
My scoring for the Beethoven Piano Concerto #5  
 
Bachauer / Skrowaczewski...............5 / 5  
Perahia / Haitink..............................5 / 4  
Kempff / Leitner...............................4 / 5  
Michelangeli / Celibidache................4 / 4  
Fischer / Furtwangler.......................5 / 3  
Gieseking / Rother...........................4 / 3  
Horowitz / Reiner.............................4 /3  
Kovacevich / Davis...........................3 / 4  
Aimard / Harnoncourt.......................3 / 4  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
13:32:33
回覆 (36): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Talking about Beethoven Violin Concerto, how can we miss out this one. :-)  
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It will be our sin not including Kreisler.  
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True indeed. Let me listen to it again as sometimes I do get absent minded.  
 
I have my own personal ultimate list of preference - My ultimate cheap cellphone playlist. I still have enough memory to add one more piece.  
 
So far the followings are in my phone -  
 
Brahms Violin Concerto - Kreisler  
Mendelson Violin Concerto - Kreisler  
Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto - Heifetz  
Beethoven Violin Concerto - Menuhin  
 
One thing in common among them. ALL DEAD.....  
 
Cheers.
BenYC
09-01-02
12:22:59
回覆 (35): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Listened to the 2nd movement and part of the 3rd movement of Beethoven Piano Concerto No.5 by Walter Gieseking replayed yesterday under KH's "new" speakers yesterday. Yes, it is one of the best among the ones I've listened to.  
 
Playing of Casadesus in the 2nd movement in Philips' Casadesus/Has Rosbaud/orchestra du concertgebouw d'amsterdam is more straight forward.  
 
Gieseking, if I have to vote between the two.  
 
A picture borrowed from Audiogon.
erictang
09-01-02
12:02:02
回覆 (53): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Schubert Impromptus  
 
The records I have played, perhaps hundreds of times is a Schubert Impromptus LP, played by INGRID HAEBLER under Philips label.  
 
The LP looks perfect but sounds horrible when replayed a few years ago when I rejoin the hifi world. Probably, record grooves are badly damaged by the very 低能 system 25+ years ago.  
 
Good news that I finally find a "satisfed" (but not in all prespectives) Schubert Impromptus (by Brendel in 1975) in the last batch of LP I acquired in the last hour of 2008.  
 
I am much happier to listen to this Brendel than the Perahia LP or the Maria Joao Pires CD from library a while ago.  
 
I'm a bit disappointed as side 2 of this Brendel LP is not the usual Ops.90 D899 but D946. Anyway, D946 is new to me.  
 
In this same LP batch, there is also the Szeryng/Kreisler recital, Japaness edition.  
 
An old picture of the Schubert Impromptus LP, played by INGRID HAEBLER under Philips label. I would like to look for an equivalent CD or LP of good condition, if there is one.  
 
Happy New Year
erictang
09-01-02
11:35:39
回覆 (52): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
I read a few paragraphs from a book on Bernstein this morning.  
 
In the 60's while Bernstein was the most successful conductor in the US and Karajan prevailed in Europe. Columbia published program notes (of Bernstein's Symphonie Fantastique) in both German and English and supported by airlines company to offer the record at half price, sales volume of Karajan's records then was displaced by Bernstein's in the European cities where Bernstein toured. In return, DG was trying to gain a foothold in the US and signed Bernstein finally.  
 
And perhaps the heavily funded Bernstein/Horne Carmen recording, described as Metropolitan style by some citics of the early 70's is one of the initial production under this marketing strategy.  
 
Yes, 只要有需求,一定有產品。
erictang
09-01-02
11:32:50
回覆 (51): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
Beethoven piano concerto no.5 current result:  
 
latest result:  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------10 point (music)/3 point (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 point (music)/3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Arrau/Davis(19800-------------------------------- 9 point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------6 point (music)/4 point (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 point (music)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------4 point (Music)/4 point(sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 point (music)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------3point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------3 point ( music)/4 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------3 point (music)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------2 point (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/1 point(sonic)
CKM
09-01-02
10:08:24
回覆 (50): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
Talking about Beethoven Violin Concerto, how can we miss out this one. :-)  
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It will be our sin not including Kreisler.  
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-02
09:59:19
回覆 (49): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
CP,  
 
Not sure. Mine is like this.
BenYC
09-01-02
00:29:56
回覆 (48): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
BenYC,  
 
You mean this one?  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-01
23:58:02
回覆 (47): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Welcome, please kindly vote on Beethoven piano concerto no. 5 poll if you have time. Hope you can find the atmosphere of discussion comfortable here.  
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Michelangeli / Celibidache / Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra (1969 live recording).
BenYC
09-01-01
23:50:30
回覆 (46): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Gingers:  
 
I wanna try the repin too, my friend highly rated his performance with HKPO last year!!
Hercules
09-01-01
23:07:49
回覆 (3): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
BenYC:  
 
the orchestra backup from Furtwangler and BPO is simply outstanding in this Menuhin recording, just the recording is a bit aged!
Hercules
09-01-01
22:48:14
回覆 (57): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Newbjman(Henry), BenYC(Ben), Lym, Vash,  
 
Welcome, please kindly vote on Beethoven piano concerto no. 5 poll if you have time. Hope you can find the atmosphere of discussion comfortable here.  
 
If there are an opinion regarding this thread, please feel free to voice out, I am sure your suggestion is valuable to us.  
 
CKM
09-01-01
22:16:14
回覆 (49): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
葛 蘭 果 然 係 好 料 喎!  
 
講得一D都無錯,我個小公主睇完又睇葛蘭既 youtube mv,特別係"空中小姐"那幾首呵!  
Vash
09-01-01
22:00:19
回覆 (48): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
葛 蘭 果 然 係 好 料 喎!  
她的歌,我甚少聽,只間中從麗的呼聲聽過。她是什麼模樣,卻一點印象都沒有,沒想到是這般省鏡的,可真走寶啊!  
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Ginger's pick up.  
Trust me in this area :-)  
 
 
再來一個!!!  
 
葛蘭 - 賭徒歌 電影《野玫瑰之戀》[GeLan / Grace Chang]  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cdhs0b4yvzg
Gingers
09-01-01
21:11:41
回覆 (47): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Gingers,  
 
葛 蘭 果 然 係 好 料 喎!  
 
她的歌,我甚少聽,只間中從麗的呼聲聽過。她是什麼模樣,卻一點印象都沒有,沒想到是這般省鏡的,可真走寶啊!  
 
 
limage
09-01-01
20:33:20
回覆 (46): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Gingers
09-01-01
20:01:38
回覆 (45): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Gingers
09-01-01
20:00:43
回覆 (44): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Gingers
09-01-01
19:48:28
回覆 (43): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
Why are there a few posts disappeared? There were a few posts of Carmen and youtube links by Gingers this early morning!  
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葛蘭 - 卡門 電影《野玫瑰之戀》[GeLan / Grace Chang]  
 
limage  
 
Your generation?  
 
 
 
 
 
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wqI4h1uODng&feature=related
Gingers
09-01-01
19:33:57
回覆 (3): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
OK.  
New Generation :-)  
 
Gingers
09-01-01
19:30:04
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New Generation :-)  
 
Gingers
09-01-01
19:28:51
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bEETHOVEN WAS RECORDED ON 1967-03-31 AT wALTHAMSTOW tOWN hALL, lONDON.  
pRODUCER : cHARLES gERHARDT  
rECORDING eNGINEER : k.e. wILKINSON  
 
 
 
 
Gingers
09-01-01
19:27:50