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Talking about Beethoven Violin Concerto, how can we miss out this one. :-)
BenYC
09-01-01
14:44:51
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CKM,  
我也加入。  
希望不同的系統,不會亂碼。
newbjman
09-01-01
12:46:38
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New Generation :-)  
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Gingers,  
 
Maxim Vengerov and Gil Shaham are 2 of the younger violinists that I like. But I always have reservations on Rostrpovich as a conductor.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-01
12:26:58
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Morning All,  
 
 
Why are there a few posts disappeared? There were a few posts of Carmen and youtube links by Gingers this early morning!  
 
Thanks for CKM feeding us the synopsis of the story which is really the prerequisite to enjoy the opera. I would like to supplement a few background information here to make it more interesting.  
 
Carmen can be regarded a landmark in French history of art in a way that it started the verismo school. Bizet took it to his heart when he wrote Carmen that art has to reflect life, not idealized life but life as it actually is lived. The story was taken from Prosper Merimee which contained contemporary characters true to life such as gypsies, thieves, cigarette makers etc. and traced the disintegration of an honourable soldier. It was considered at that time unconventional, too daring and risque. France has the reputation of being a naughty country not since today but French middle class by then was still sturdily moral, if not even puritanical. The opera manager Camille du Locle had visions of his entire clientele boycotting his house and Bizet pronounced it "a definite and hopeless flop". It turned out not such a bad failure though, neither was it a huge success. There is a general belief that Bizet never lived to see it premiered which is untrue. The opera had 48 performances though was played to smaller and smaller houses in 3 months before Bizet died. The fact is Ernest Guiraud transformed the spoken dialogue to recitatives for the Viennese premiere few months later and it was in this form that the opera was played all over Europe which so much impressed Wagner, Tchaikovsky and Brahms. And it is in this form that Carmen was heard ever since.  
 
The title role Carmen was written for a mezzo-soprano, rather than a soprano, with a voice to portray her as a more subtle character instead of the leering, hip-swinging coquette that we are now used to. Carmen is, indeed, moral rather than licentious as she is always honest with herself. She never violates her own code of conduct. If she does not follow Bourgeois sexual codes, neither is she promiscuous, she always belongs to only one man at a time. She knows her powers and does not hesitate to use them. But sexual power is not the most important element in her make up; in a way I find much of our webmaster Kris in her in this respect. :-) Indeed, a well-acted Carmen should suggest her contempt for most men, and for humanity in general!  
 
 
 
cpsjj
09-01-01
12:16:56
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好比一帖瘦金體 :-)  
 
Gingers
09-01-01
11:59:13
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New Generation :-)  
 
Gingers
09-01-01
11:52:29
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Hercules, 8po  
 
歡迎你到來,看來要雙線發展,開两個擂台,一個給Beethoven Violin concerto, 一個給Carmen 才行。  
 
Hercules, 8po 歡迎你先就手頭Beethoven violin concerto 提出意見,我心中也有幾隻心水。
CKM
09-01-01
11:48:34
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Dear Hercules,  
 
 
Welcome to join us, I learn a lot from your especially classical stuff in the past!! U should be one of the treasures to this spread.  
 
 
Cheers !!
Vash
09-01-01
01:58:04
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just stop by and say happy new year.  
 
ps i also second "我對 Campoli 的貝小提協印象也不錯. 當然我的不是甚麼頭版" and most of his work.  
 
8po
09-01-01
01:48:13
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For Modern recording, this is my current favorite.
Hercules
09-01-01
01:17:13
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Krebbers good!! but my favourite is Schneiderhan as I like the candaza of Op.61a (Piano Version), most breathtaking one.
Hercules
09-01-01
01:09:09
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lym
09-01-01
01:00:25
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Hi All, just visit here!!!  
 
I rate the Szeryng's Beethoven listed by cpsjj as following:  
 
1. Szeryng/Schmidt-Isserstedt/London Symphony Orchestra/Philips - Very fine of Szeryng and good recording too, hard to get, only Japanese Version available  
 
2. Szeryng/Klemperer/Philharmonia/Testament - recorded 1959 - very unusual fire and passion between klemperer and szeryng  
 
for Szeryng//Haitink/Concertgebouw/Philips - recorded 1973, most circulating version but I never listen to it.  
 
There are other Szeryng/Schmidt-Isserstedt but pairing Sinfonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, live recording, as good as Otto one.Available from Shun Cheong for $120.  
 
http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Concerto-Symphony-Schmidt-Isserstedt-Szerying/dp/B000UDTDLY
Hercules
09-01-01
01:00:18
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我對 Campoli 的貝小提協印象也不錯. 當然我的不是甚麼頭版.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/lym/Clipboard1136.jpg
lym
09-01-01
00:59:30
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Regarding the Beethoven Violin Concerto, my favorite one and also one of the best recording and performing is "Herman Krebbers / Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam / Bernard Haitink". Mine is CD, the LP is far better than the CD which Thomson has one.  
 
This one seems not found in cp's photo! Trust me, it is one of the best!
ils2009
09-01-01
00:30:51
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I have all the Philips, but not the BBC.  
 
It's your poor memory more likely. I didn't say Szeryng did not play Beethoven. He played the Romances too, hard to be beaten again!  
 
limage
08-12-31
16:02:29
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limage,  
 
Contrary to your understanding or poor memory, Szeryng does have had a few recordings on Beethoven's violin concerto. These are not included in my previous listing as they are filed separately in your honour in case you would come and want to pick up one for your pleasure.  
 
1. Szeryng/Klemperer/Philharmonia/Testament - recorded 1959  
2. Szeryng//Haitink/Concertgebouw/Philips - recorded 1973  
3. Szeryng/Schmidt-Isserstedt/London Symphony Orchestra/Philips - recorded 1965  
 
You must be the one most interested to know which Szeryng version is the best.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-31
15:29:41
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If there will be an award to the threadmaster whose thread will have the highest number of posts upon the Grand Opening, I'm sure CKM will win by miles and will have to buy us yumcha in one of the Saturday yumcha gathering; unless of course if Gingers suddenly wanted to steal the show and top up his thread with hundreds of his Leak photos with a sleight of hand.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-31
15:12:50
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cpsjj
08-12-31
14:40:21
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下一個擂台的挑戰曲為「比才」的「卡門」  
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CKM,  
 
For Bizet's Carmen, I have 10 full sets and 2 highlights for the contest.  
 
Set :  
1. Horne/Bernstein/Metropolitan Opera Orchestra/DG  
2. de Los Angeles/Beecham/Orchestre National de la Radiodiffusion Francaise/EMI  
3. Bumbry/de Burgos/Orchestre der Theatre Nationale de l'Oper de Paris/EMI  
4. Baltsa/Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker/DG  
5. Moffo/Maazel/Orchester der Deutschen Oper Berlin/RCA  
6. Norman/Ozawa/Orchestre National de France/Decca  
7. Callas/Pretre/Orchestre der Theatre Nationale de l'Oper de Paris/EMI  
8. Stevens/Reiner/RCA Victor Orchestra/RCA  
9.Resnik/Schippers/L'Orchestre de la Suisse Romande/Decca  
10. Verret/Solti/Covent Garden Orchestra/Opera D'Odo  
 
Highlight :  
1. Price/Karajan/Vienna Philharmonic/RCA  
2. Johnson?davis/Sadler's Well Opera Chorus & Orchestra/Classic for Pleasure (in English)  
 
Any more to add?  
 
cpsjj
08-12-31
14:38:57
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Eric,  
 
By the way, all scoring system is meaningless, the aim of this thread is to promote good recording and develop interest in classical music, a good recording is a good recording, it will score high no matter what scoring system we are using.  
 
勝負只是遊戲,聽樂過程中得到的歡娛樂業才是珍寶。
CKM
08-12-31
14:12:00
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eric,  
 
If we use the scoring system suggested by you, there will be a strange phenomonen that one low score would lower down the total average score, for example two vote for Kovacevich, one score 1 point while the other score 3, than the average would be 3, on the other hand he give 5 points to Gulda but none of us have heard of this version, then Gulda will score 5 point, but does it mean that Koacevich is inferior to Gulda, it only indicates the Kovacevich have two supporters who have different opinion but Gulda have only one.  
 
My scoring is not perfect but it reflect  
 
1. the quality of the recording and  
2. the publicity of the recording  
 
The more support you get the more score you have, this scoring system also encourage you to listen to more versions, I am happy to lend you my copy under your request, Hong Kong public library is another good source. If you find a good recording which you think it is superior to all, please recommed it to us by a short essay, and indicate the source, so that members here can listen to it, and if it is a good recording, its score will go up immediately. Similiar situation apply for a brand new issue such as the recent complete recording by Kissin/Colin Davis/LSO.
CKM
08-12-31
14:02:59
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Hello CKM,  
Regarding the score, as not all of us have the same recordings, perhaps average score per person with number of person printed will provide a better view. :)
erictang
08-12-31
13:07:01
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To interfere your rating below website is comparision on different versions of Carmen.  
 
Marilyn Horne / Leonard Bernstein  
Per the author's comment, do you also associate Carmen as "胸大無腦的女人" while listening to this TAS recording ?  
 
 
http://www.classicaldoor.com/intro/B/b-0282-284.htm
erictang
08-12-31
13:02:31
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jules,  
 
please comment on sonic quality as well  
 
latest result:  
Perahia/Haitink -----------------------------------10 point (music)/3 point (sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)------------------------------10 point (music)/3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Arrau/Davis(19800-------------------------------- 9 point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------6 point (music)/4 point (sonic)  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 point (music)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------4 point (Music)/4 point(sonic)  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 point (music)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------3point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------3 point ( music)/4 point(sonic)  
Rubinstein/Barenboim---------------------------3 point (music)  
Ashkennazy/Mehta-------------------------------2 point (music)  
Gulda/Szell-------------------------------------------2 point (music)/1 point(sonic)
CKM
08-12-31
12:10:15
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Following CKM scoring system:  
 
My pick on Beethoven piano concerto no.5 for the versions I have on hand  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)-------------------------------5 point  
Perahia/Hatink -------------------------------------5 point  
Backhaus/Schmidt-Isserstedt----------------5 point  
Arrau/Davis(1980)-------------------------------- 4 point  
Gulda/Stein------------------------------------------4 point  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------3 point  
Rubinstein/Barenboim----------------------------3 point  
Ashkennazy/Mehta--------------------------------2 point  
 
 
jules
08-12-31
11:55:55
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昨晚聚會中一致議決,再談樂聖的音樂實在太悶,下一個擂台的挑戰曲為「比才」的「卡門」。  
 
歌劇故事如下:  
 
人物介紹  
 
 
卡門 (Carmen) 吉普賽女郎,煙廠女工 ......次女高音  
唐賀塞 (Don Jose) 騎兵隊下士 ......男高音  
蜜凱拉 (Micaela) 唐賀塞的未婚妻 ......女高音  
艾斯卡密羅 (Escamillo) 鬥牛士 ......男中低音  
丹凱羅 (Dancairo) 走私客 ......男中音  
雷門達多 (Remendado) 走私客 ......男高音  
弗拉絲基塔 (Frasquita) 吉普賽女郎,卡門的女伴 ......女高音  
麥賽德絲 (Mercedes) 吉普賽女郎,卡門的女伴 ......女高音  
祖尼卡 (Zuniga) 騎兵隊隊長 ......男低音  
煙草廠女工、騎兵隊官士兵、走私客、小販、塞維里亞城居民 ......合唱團  
 
 
 
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塞維里亞城廣場  
 
廣場左側為騎兵隊駐紮軍營,近中午時分,一群官士兵正無趣地看著廣場上人來人往,打 發時間。突然間,人中出現一位神色稍帶慌張小姑娘, 她是來自鄉下的的蜜凱拉,到城 裡要尋找在騎兵隊擔任下士軍職的未婚夫;在騎兵隊士兵詢問之下,才知道她要找的就是 唐賀塞, 但是賀塞此時仍在站崗,蜜凱拉則藉故離開,以免騎兵隊其他士官兵的搭訕。  
未久,遠處傳來由賀塞帶隊回營換班的衛兵的腳步聲, 廣場上的孩童們紛擁而上,模倣 起騎兵隊行進的模樣(士兵之歌)。 在換班時,有一士官轉告賀塞,方才有位女子前來探訪他,並大略描述了對方模樣,賀塞 一聽,知道是來自家鄉的未婚妻蜜凱拉,遂靜候蜜凱拉再度來訪。此時已近中午時分,廣 場對面的煙草廠午休鐘聲響起, 一群煙廠女工蜂湧而出,人手一支煙,來到廣場上和情人 約會(煙廠女工合唱:煙霧繚繞飄向天際)。 忽然間有一群男士們問起:「卡門到哪兒去了?」 隨即就是卡門大剌剌地登場,只見男士 們團團圍住卡門,想一睹她誘人的風采, 但是卡門只對坐在一旁沉默不語、專心做事的賀 塞產生了興趣, 她有意無意地唱著:「愛情就像是一隻難以馴服的小鳥,也像是放浪不羈 的吉普賽孩童,郎雖無心,妹卻有意, 如果你不愛我,而我卻愛上了你,那你可就要當心 了!」(哈巴奈拉舞曲)。  
一曲即畢,賀塞仍然未正眼瞧卡門一眼, 卡門遂主動走上前去搭訕,並且從胸口掏出一朵 紅花,朝賀塞扔去。在眾人取笑賀賽聲中,卡門又如旋風似地離去, 只剩下賽仍在卡門 這一丟所造成的小小震撼之中。忽然在賀塞背後傳來一陣輕聲呼喚,回頭一看, 原來是蜜 凱拉來了!她帶來了賀塞母親的問候與一封信,賀塞在感受親情溫暖之餘, 彷彿又見到了 美麗的家鄉與慈祥的母親, 並且在心中默許將要娶蜜凱拉為妻 (二重唱:母親的問候), 而蜜凱拉又是一陣害羞 ,藉口說要去街上買點東西,稍後再回來拿賀賽寫給母親的信。  
 
就在蜜凱拉走開沒多久,煙廠裡傳來尖叫與打鬥聲。卡門和另外一名女工發生爭執,大打 出手,其餘女工則各自擁護一方,相互指責對方。騎兵隊隊長祖尼卡指派賀賽進入工廠內 調查,並且將卡門逮捕到案。紛亂終告一段落,隨後眾人散去,廣場上只剩下卡門與賀賽 兩人,卡門誘惑賀塞把她放走,並且和她前往城牆邊一家小酒館飲酒作樂 (塞桂迪拉舞曲);賀塞原先還嚴詞拒絕,但終究 抵擋不了卡門魔力般的吸引力,遂解開了綑綁卡門雙手的繩子,卡門則和賀塞串通好,在 押送她前往監獄的路上,她會出奇不意地把賀塞撞倒,然後再一溜煙地逃走。被迷惑已深 的賀塞竟然答應了卡門的要求,而這樣天真的想法當然是要付出代價的;最後賀塞則被隊 長祖尼卡拔除肩上官階,下令收押坐監。  
 
 
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塞維里亞城牆邊的小酒館  
 
在酒客、走私客、吉普賽人混雜的昏暗小酒館中,卡門和兩位女伴─弗拉絲基塔、以及麥 賽德絲─隨著熱烈激盪的吉普賽舞曲翩然起舞 (吉普賽之歌)。 就在酒店老闆宣布打烊時間已到、眾人即將離去之際,外頭又湧進另一批群眾,原來是鬥 牛士艾斯卡米羅在眾人擁簇之下,來到酒店中小小慶祝一番,原本要離開的酒客為了一睹 鼎鼎大名的艾斯卡米羅的真面目,又都留了下來,而艾斯卡米羅為了答謝眾人支持,唱起 了著名的「鬥牛士之歌」,敘述鬥牛場上的緊張 與刺激。末了,艾斯卡米羅注意到坐在一旁的卡門,他原本想向這位誘人的吉普賽女子獻 上殷勤,未料卡門卻回上一句:「現在要愛上你是不可能的。」但艾斯卡米羅仍滿懷希望 離去。  
 
終於等到大夥兒散去,兩位走私頭子─丹凱羅與雷門達多─上場了。他們宣稱有一筆好生 意可做,但是需要女士們的協助;卡門則表示,她現在正沉醉在愛情中,工作對她來說則 是其次,兩位走私頭子和卡門的兩位女伴大感意外,趕忙要她想清楚點 (五重唱:有一筆好生意要做)。 此時遠方傳來了一陣嘹亮的歌聲,卡門跑到窗前一看,原來是她「現在」的心上人唐賀塞 來了!卡門為了達謝賀塞為她所做的犧牲,於是翩然起舞,以饗愛人;好巧不巧,就在賀 塞沉醉於卡門曼妙舞姿  
 
的同時,遠方傳來了軍隊歸營的號角聲,賀塞雖捨不得卡門,但是又顧及軍職與榮譽,打 算忍痛離去,此舉惹得卡門大為不悅,於是賀塞掏出卡門先前丟給他、而現在早已「由紅 轉黃」的那朵小花,藉此證明他對卡門的愛意。賀塞告訴卡門,當他在獄中,每日都會看 著這朵花、思念著卡門 (花之歌);卡門聽後,由嗔轉喜,她要賀塞和她 一起到山上過著吉普賽人般的生活,充份享受自由;賀塞原本差點又陷入卡門動人的誘惑 ,但倏地又想到了自己有軍職在身,無法隨卡門四處流浪。正當賀塞準備離去時,騎兵隊 隊長祖尼卡忽然出現了!原來他也是愛慕卡門,因為無法忘情,又回來和卡門搭訕,不料 又見到剛出獄的賀塞也在場;祖尼卡用「以上待下」的命令口氣要賀塞即時返營,兩人之 間還發生了激烈的打鬥,卡門見狀,趕緊呼叫求援,結果則引來了一大群同夥的走私客將 祖尼卡制服。狀況發展到此,賀塞已是騎虎難下,只好隨卡門一同過著以穹蒼大地為家的 吉普賽人漂泊生活。  
 
 
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【第三幕】  
 
夜晚的荒山谷地  
 
在一段長笛與豎琴導奏的音樂聲中,場景移至夜晚的荒山谷地。走私隊伍扛著吃重的行李 ,緩緩爬上山坡(走私者合唱)。在大夥兒暫歇之後,賀塞走到卡門身旁,打算與 卡門講和,卡門卻冷冷地回說她現在已經不像過去那樣愛賀塞了,她請賀塞好自為之。隨 即卡門和同伴拿起了紙牌玩起算命遊戲,不料卻都出現「死亡」的象徵 (樂團奏出「命運主題」):「先是我死、再來就是他 (賀塞)!」卡門雖感無奈,卻也只好接受,因為紙牌是誠實不會說謊的 (紙牌三重唱)。  
 
走私隊伍休息結束之後,即將下山進行交易,只留下賀塞一人留守營地。此時蜜凱拉在山 地嚮導帶領下登場,她此行是要找到已被卡門完全迷住心竅的賀塞,勸他早日回家。在嚮 導離去後,蜜凱拉獨自一人身處荒山野地,她祈求上天保佑,完成使命 (詠歎調:我無所畏懼)。當蜜凱拉發現賀塞身影 時,正想開口呼喊賀塞,卻只見賀塞拿起槍枝瞄準某一特定目標射擊,原來這時有另外一 位訪客上場了,這位訪客就是鬥牛士艾斯卡密羅,他此番上山則是要尋找心愛的女人─卡 門。  
賀塞見到情敵出現,不免妒火中燒,兩個人之間發生激烈打鬥,適巧被趕回來的走私客給 拉開。艾斯卡密羅臨走前禮貌性地邀請大家參觀他即將在塞維里亞城舉行的鬥牛表演,隨 後就唱著鬥牛士之歌的曲調下山去了,而卡門此時的心也完全被艾斯卡密羅給擄獲,賀塞 見狀,更是氣忿難平!  
 
就當走私隊伍要再度出發時,有人發現大岩石後面有一身影,賀塞一看:竟然是蜜凱拉! 蜜凱拉告知賀塞:母親重病,不久人世,請他速回家中,而賀塞雖心有不甘,但在離去前 ,他還是撂下一句話給卡門:「總有一天我們還會再見面的!」  
 
 
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【第四幕】  
 
塞維里亞鬥牛廣場  
 
鬥牛表演當天,廣場上人群攜攘,小販、賭客、觀眾齊聚,等待表演開始。隨後,在群眾 歡呼下,艾斯卡密羅登場 (鬥牛士進行曲);他向一旁的卡門傾訴愛意,願 把在鬥牛表演中的榮耀獻給卡門。此時,弗拉絲基塔與麥賽德絲發現賀塞也混在人群中, 她們提醒卡門要格外當心,但卡門不以為意,並走出鬥牛場外,準備和賀塞把話說明白。 此時的賀塞已經是窮困潦倒,他為了卡門拋棄了軍職與家庭,他請求卡門念在過去之間的 一段情,回心轉意,但卡門不為所動,表示她已不再愛賀塞了。此時鬥牛場中一陣歡呼, 卡門聞聲要轉身進場,賀塞一個箭步擋住卡門的去路,他兩次逼問卡門是不是還愛著鬥牛 士艾斯卡密羅,而卡門不耐賀塞威脅,丟還了賀塞先前送給她的戒指,賀塞一怒之下,拿 起短刀刺進卡門的胸膛。適巧鬥牛表演結束,眾人散場,只見倒在血泊中的卡門、以及趴 在卡門身上痛哭的賀塞!(幕落,劇終)  
 
http://www.opera.org.tw/opera_c/carmen_c.htm  
 
 
CKM
08-12-31
11:50:20
回覆 (40): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解,但擂台是殘酷的,終極版本只有一個,所以我建議來個終極表决。表决以五分為滿分,評分標準為:  
1分:此版本不可取  
2分:此版本缺點甚多但仍有可取突出之處  
3分:整體表現出色  
4分:整體表現出色之餘有突出的見解或特色  
5分:各方面表現完美,充滿特色,難以超越  
 
並同時為錄音質素作評分,分數和演繹分開計算:  
1分:比收音機還差  
2分:和收音機相約  
3分:基本平衡  
4分:動態出色,音色自然  
5分:發燒天碟,試機精品  
所有參與者都可就手頭上各版本投票一次,該版本各人分數總和為該版本分數(越多人投票與每票得分高的版本就是最佳版本):  
 
實例:  
 
CKM on Beethoven piano concerto no.5  
Kovacevich/Davis (1969)------------------------3 point ( music)/4 point(sonic)  
Michelangeli/Giulini ( 1979)--------------------3point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Pollini/Bohm( 1979)-------------------------------5 point (music)/3 point(sonic) (DVD)  
Arrau/Davis(19800-------------------------------- 5 point (music)/4 point(sonic)  
Aimard/Harnoncourt------------------------------4 point (Music)/4 point(sonic)  
Kempff/Leitner--------------------------------------3 point (music)/4 point (sonic)  
Gulda/Szell------------------------------------------2 point (music)/1 point(sonic)  
Perahia/Haitink ----------------------------------- 5 point (music)/3 point (sonic)  
 
此擂台沒結束時間,大家可盡量多聽不同版本並作評分。結果會在每次收到評分後更新,亦豉勵為評分作簡短解釋。  
CKM
08-12-31
11:43:03
回覆 (39): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
優美如歌意境像詩的「帝皇」網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:38分鐘前  
昨天終於買了新版Perahia與Haitink 合作的貝多芬鋼琴協奏曲全集,這個版本從前很少見,也十分貴,單曲「帝皇」四十分鐘不到賣正價百多元,故一直緣慳一面,但昨晚一聽大有相逢恨晚之感。  
 
Perahia 自從錄制Mozart Piano Concerto 全集之後聲名大譟,他優雅的琴風,充滿詩意與感情的造句,流暢的技巧令他成為當今的鋼琴大師。這個「帝皇」錄音也展現了這些優點,Perahia 以較快的速度彈奏,一路行雲流水,但最令我感動是他在注重整體結構之餘,造句也是那麽細緻,每一個音符都像有千言萬言可以回味。Perahia 的音色也美極了,他觸鍵乾淨清淅,比Michelangeli 多一份靈氣,但比Pollini 少一份力量與激情。Haitink 的伴奏也中規中矩,Royal Concertgebouw 的伴奏尤其是木管維持一貫温暖秀氣。  
 
Perahia/Haitink, Aimard/Harnoncourt, Kempff/Leitner 三個版本風格相近,但Perahia無論在速度流暢度,音色,造句,技巧均在Aimard 與Kempff 之上,如要一個清新詩意,流暢自然的「帝皇」Perahia 是首選;如喜歡氣宇軒昂的「帝皇」Arrau/Davis 是首選;如喜歡有點激情,力量的「帝皇」Pollini/Bohm 是不錯選擇。  
 
CKM
08-12-31
11:30:54
回覆 (38): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
"My goal is to convey a true masterpiece in whatever I play," , "I am not interested in selling myself, I am selling the piece ... [and would] hope that [emotion] would already be in the piece. I'm not an actor."。  
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"Create excitement. Don't get excited" is the motto Starker adopted from his all time accompanist Gyorgy Sebok.  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-31
10:41:51
回覆 (39): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
 
 
 
I think CKM has also just got this set. Good on you two.  
 
I believe you will particular like his concerto #4.  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-31
10:36:41
回覆 (38): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
剛找到Perahia 的Beethoven piano concerto 全集
erictang
08-12-31
10:18:10
回覆 (37): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Chowhwk writes a few interesting articles on Bach Cello Suites in his blog recently and below is extraction about Starker:  
 
Starker拉琴面無表情。很多人把他和Heifetz作比較, 認定是純技術派。但大提琴界的朋友對他甚肯定,網上的大提琴會文章: "He shows us how to sculpt the sound.... The tone is clean and focused, the interpretations commanding and inevitable, and the technique untouchable." Starker 在同一網址被訪問他對音樂見解 "My goal is to convey a true masterpiece in whatever I play," , "I am not interested in selling myself, I am selling the piece ... [and would] hope that [emotion] would already be in the piece. I'm not an actor."。  
 
 
Starker也發表過拉大提琴要發出漂亮琴音是要把七十塊身體肌肉有效的控制,保持像fluid 般的流暢,同時要注意力集中。我相信面部肌肉不屬於這七十塊之一,所以保持不動。  
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chowhwk2002/article?mid=1344
erictang
08-12-31
10:16:55
回覆 (38): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
'看來大家已對貝多芬鋼琴第五号協奏曲各版本有一定的了解 '  
 
 
Almost forgit, another Emperor version that I like much is Casadesus/Szell, a playing of dignity and aristocracy.  
 
kh33
08-12-30
18:43:31
回覆 (37): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
剛找到Perahia 的Beethoven piano concerto 全集,但看來下一個比拼曲目已呼之欲出:  
 
歡迎大家提出Beethoven violin concerto 的心愛版本。
CKM
08-12-30
13:46:46
回覆 (36): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
' how would you compare Casals and Starker '  
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Heard Starker live several years ago at the HK Cultural center, accompanied by a Japanese pianist. Quite disappointed. The programme was Brahms and Shostakovich Cello concerto. At that time he was already an old man, just past eighties and past his prime. He came on stage slowly, back bending, carrying his famous Goffrilla Cello,then sat on a stool like a buddha and played from the beginning to the end without raising an eyebrow. His playing was that of minimalism, body movements were few,vibrato not prominent,dynamics restricted, resulting in a style quite different from what I expected in playing Brahms and Shostakovich.  
kh33
08-12-30
12:40:21
回覆 (48): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hello George,  
 
--> Have you already contacted elvis in order to obtain the shortlist?  
Yes, email sent last night  
 
--> the conductor is the son of Kogan! I wonder whether Melodiya ever released this account in LP format before!?  
 
As a Kogan/LP fans, perhaps KH can tell ...
erictang
08-12-30
11:26:26
回覆 (47): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Eric  
 
Have you already contacted elvis in order to obtain the shortlist?  
 
Thanks for your correction! I also have this latest release, the conductor is the son of Kogan! I wonder whether Melodiya ever released this account in LP format before!?  
 
Indeed we should invite Elvis to join this club as well!  
 
george1977
george1977
08-12-30
11:10:21
回覆 (46): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hello George,  
 
There is a Kogan in the shortlisted Beethoven Violin Concerto recording. If my memory is correct, the recommended Kogan is having Kondrashin as conductor but not the one recently available below.  
 
And yes, there are a number of violin maestro of the last century which are "new" to me.
http://www.melody.su/eng/work/catalog/classic/575
erictang
08-12-30
11:04:40
回覆 (46): 古典音樂版本比拼擂台
Hi rcwy,  
 
Oh that's a reply from a blog friend, the original message should read:  
"買多少郵費都一樣,是一個危險的網站,往往多買了"  
 
I also think of computer security at the first glance.  
 
Yes, my Du Pre set is from jpc (via CKM, thanks him again) about 6 months ago.  
There are totally 81 CD in my budget CD box set dominated order, at $1800 with shared shipping cost included.  
 
As of today, a number of them are still intact. That's what "危險的網站" mean. :)
erictang
08-12-30
10:51:44