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CKM,  
 
Don't take it serious. I'm just bluffing. It will be too difficult to get me upset, other than that TV as you know. :-)  
 
I've browsed through yours and George's blogs and have learned a lot. Very educational and inspiring. Thank you for your efforts.  
 
In fact I have the Arrau/Davis, Gulda/Szell as well as the Pollini DVD. They are filed differently. Aimard/Harnoncourt is the only one missing. Appreciate your kindness of lending me the copy. The Perahia, Bachauer and Kempff are always ready to go.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
12:59:13
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CP,  
 
Can I borrrow three disc from you : Perahia, Kempff, Bachauer.  
 
In return I am happy to lend you Arrau/Davis, Aimard/ Harnoncourt, Gulda/ Szell, and Pollini/Bohm DVD as I noticed you do not have these recording.
CKM
08-12-25
12:35:35
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二十一世紀的帝皇網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:2008-12-25 10:09  
踏入二十一世紀,帝制開始式微,取而代之是自由平等的觀念,世上僅存的皇室如英國也要提倡高透明度開放文明等目標。所以二十一世紀的「帝皇」錄音也要與之前來個翻天覆地的變化。  
 
無論喜歡與否Harnoncourt 當今正是古樂運動與當今樂壇的代表人物,他相信一路以來以大樂隊厚重的聲音演奏古典時期的樂由是有失貝多芬原意的,Chamber Orchestra of Europe 在他帶領下重新研究樂譜,少用揉音,縮減編制,奏出新鮮透明而充滿活力的聲音,確立了貝多芬演奏的新標準,他在90 年錄的貝多芬交響樂全集受各音樂集誌一致推崇,影響所及連Abbado, Rattle 與Zinman 的新貝多芬交響樂全集都有Harnoncourt 的影子。  
 
Aimard 是擅長演奏現代音樂如Ligeti的鋼琴家,一天古樂專家Harnoncourt聽到他的演奏驚為天人,立刻提出合作建議錄貝多芬的全套協奏曲。他們要重新發掘樂譜中的新意,將貝多芬當年推出協奏曲時所帶給維也納樂壇的震撼於今天重現云云。  
 
事實上Chamber Orchestra of Europe 透明自然的聲音和Staakapelle Dresden, Vienna Philharmonic與London Symphony Orchestra 比實在清新自然,鋼琴不是與樂隊較勁而是融入其中,有許多埋在樂譜中的細節也得到再現,Aimard 的鋼琴相反卻是眾多版本中最浪漫的,他妙用搶板,音色也十分優美,鋼音和樂隊水乳交融,像Mozart 也像Chopin, 但就是不像我們聽開厚重的,霸氣的貝多芬。和二十一世紀自由平等開放透明的觀念不謀而合。  
 
喜愛與否,這個錄音是打破故有觀念的演譯。  
 
CKM
08-12-25
12:29:17
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咄咄逼人的西楚霸王網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:2008-12-25 09:33  
Gulda 是一位古怪的鋼琴家,常常在古典音樂會中加入Jazz 曲目,但在德國他可是大師級人馬,在日本也有很高的地位。他在60年代未為Amadeo 錄的全套貝多芬鋼琴奏嗚曲當中緊張刺激又不失細密的演奏使我驚嘆不已,一直視之為首選。  
 
在1964年Gulda 與另一位緊張大師George Szell 帶領Vienna Philharmonic 演奏了「帝皇」協奏曲,說起Szell這位樂團的獨裁者,一手將Cleveland Orchestra 由寂寂無名的地方樂團訓練成世界一流的樂團便知他是一位頂尖的指揮。  
 
兩位怪傑的合作成就了這一剌激非常的現場錄音,大家你追我逐,互不相讓,Gulda 飛快而力量十足的演奏配上Szell 如行軍一般的伴奏,只可惜刺激有餘,温情不足。現場觀眾然極為興奮。錄音是奧地利電台的Mono 錄音,效果不佳。  
 
這CD多謝George 送贈。  
CKM
08-12-25
12:28:21
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cp,  
 
Don't feel angry, I also do not have that version by Perahia, I would certainly search for it in a short time.  
 
But MY experience on two other version:  
 
咄咄逼人的西楚霸王  
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=536  
 
二十一世紀的帝皇  
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=537
CKM
08-12-25
12:24:43
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The reason is simple – I do not have Perahia’s Emperor  
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limage,  
 
That is not a reason. Should you have had one, you would have listened to it and know. If you do not listen to it upon other's recommendation for reason that you do not have one, I can only say you haven't heard anything yet.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
11:42:18
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Relying on universal reviews alone may not be the best way to suit our purpose  
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If you think I have to rely on reviews, I would not have spent my time on all these different versions.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
11:34:20
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And 35mm magnetic film recording never fails in terms of recording quality.  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
11:31:09
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limage,  
 
Are you serious or you think I am serious?  
 
As a matter of fact, Perahia's recording is of top rate quality.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
11:28:15
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CP,  
 
The reason is simple – I do not have Perahia’s Emperor.  
 
Relying on universal reviews alone may not be the best way to suit our purpose, unless of course verdicts among the top reviews are unanimous. Other than that, audiophiles like us do look for something extra. We care about the recording quality as much as we do over the performance.  
 
 
limage
08-12-25
11:09:34
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Gingers,  
 
Haven't seen you for a while. You must have a late night with Lulu on this Christmas eve and still haven't gone to sleep yet.  
 
Seems my recommendation, which is made after hours of meticulous listening and comparison of over 18 different versions of the Emperor Concerto, do not carry the weight it deserves. As long as this is the championship bout, you have to fight your way up the qualifying rounds to be eligible. Perahia's version is awarded the Gramophone award and Kempff's and Kovacevich the Penguin rosette and I rank Gramophone much higher than Penguin. What qualification do your Arrau have to challenge the reigning champion? :-)  
 
Gina Bachauer did not have any award but she's a lady, and we have to be gentlemen!  
 
No one even has an attempt to listen to what I recommended? Sigh!  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
10:31:17
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limage, CKM,  
 
I have this CD. It is in fact a different recording in 1978 rather than the one shown by limage which was recorded in 1981. Nevertheless it is still a very good and famous performance. Boulez remains the only one to challenge Stravinsky on this piece of work.:-)  
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-25
10:16:30
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Grab it, CKM, you wouldn't be disappointed.  
 
limage
08-12-25
09:14:19
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Limage,  
 
I have search on the web, your disc was reissued on CD with the following cover.
CKM
08-12-25
09:06:22
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CKM  
 
My favourite too :-)  
 
John
Gingers
08-12-25
08:38:24
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有獨孤求敗 Christopher Parker 壓陣  
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My apology! That was stupid — Christopher Parker never worked for DG. It was Karl-August Naegler.  
 
The recording nonetheless is absolutely on par with the best from the Christophers, so brimming with presence that I had to look at the label twice to convince myself that it was really a DG recording!  
limage
08-12-24
22:27:48
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昂首闊步從容不迫的「帝皇」網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:25分鐘前  
第四個版本選了Claudio Arrau 這位智利鋼琴家在1984 年的錄音,指揮也是Sir Colin Davis,但這回他帶領來自德國名城Dresden 的Staakapelle Dresden 。  
 
Claudio Arrau 當時已八+歲,他的技巧卻更見老練。這個版本沒有在Kovacevich 版與Pollini 版的衝勁,取之而來是優美色彩豐富的弱奏。Arrau 的步履輕鬆,從容不迫,當然也不乏氣宇軒昂的片段。Colin Davis 經驗和二十年前相比成熟了不少,音色圓潤,氣派不凡。Dresden 温暖的聲音為這錄音生色不少。  
 
總的來說是一個坐在大殿運籌帷幄的帝皇,與Pollini 一時瑜亮難分軒輊。  
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=535
CKM
08-12-24
19:11:53
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I have three more in my library, Arrau/Davis, Harnoncourt/Aimard, Gulda/Szell, will come to this three version later, will definitely listen to Kempff/Leitner in a short time, I love their performance on concerto no.3 and 4.
CKM
08-12-24
12:28:27
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Post crash.  
 
I opt the Kempff/Leitner reading. Recording quality is first rate too!  
 
limage
08-12-24
12:13:21
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That's the one I opt too, the LP version I mean.  
 
limage
08-12-24
11:43:15
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My Perahia is a very old version. There is a later version which incorporated his Beethoven concerto no. 4 and received a Gramophone award.  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-24
11:42:49
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Kempff with Leitner. I support kh on Kempff.  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-24
11:40:31
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To be fair to Michelangeli, I think he actually did it better with Celibidache than with Giulini.  
 
cpsjj
08-12-24
11:38:44
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Gina Bachauer  
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-24
11:24:28
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CKM,  
 
Thank you for introducing Pollini and Michelangeli. They are indeed excellent performances. Since this is a boxing ring, I would like to nominate 4 other contesting boxers : Wilhelm Kempff with Leitner conducting BPO, Murray Perahia with Haitink on the Concertgebouw, Edwin Fischer with Furtwangler on the Philharmonia and Gina Bachauer with Skrowaczewski conducting LSO.I like Perahia on his fluency and poetic interpretation with the best recording quality, Fischer and Kempff for their dramatic effect and grandeur and of course partially for Furtwangler whom I like so much. Gina Bachauer is my favourite for her everything. The recording was made on July 5 1962 in the Watford Town Hall near London on 35mm magnetic film using 3 Telefunken 201 mics.  
 
cpsjj
08-12-24
11:14:25
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Ckm,  
 
So nice to read your contribution  
Your thread title is funny and challenging.  
For Beethoveen piano concerto 5 I'll send Wilhem Kempff/Leitner to challenge the throne now held by Pollini and bohm. Being guided by the Penguin, Kempff was the first Beethoveen Piano concerto record I bought. His playing is unique as he combines grace,pooetry and heroism beautifully to make his reading more dimensional and the rapport between him and BPO under Leitner is hard to fault.
kh33
08-12-24
11:12:51
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初生之犢與一代宗師網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:31分鐘前  
第三個版本是由Michelangeli 的學生Pollini 擔任獨奏,選取的是Pollini 在七十年代與Karl Bohm 及Vienna Philharmonic 在黄金大廳的演奏,我看與聽就是此版本的DVD影碟。Pollini 1960 參與蕭邦鋼琴大賽,被Rubinstein 評為比評判奏得還要好,之後歸隱十年苦練,這個錄音正是當時復出之作。Bohm 那時已是指揮界一代宗師,將Vienna Philharmonic 回復昔日的光輝。  
 
一開場Pollini 奏得實在太好了,既有氣勢,又有火花,技巧靈活分毫不差。Bohm 有如一名嚴師,嚴肅表情背後音樂卻充滿温情。第二樂章Pollini 奏得浪漫極了,音色和Michelangeli 相比毫不遜色,Michelangeli 一定已將絕技傾囊相授。第三樂章Pollini 奏得很刺激,Vienna Philharmonic 也拋開一直温文懿雅的作風,和Pollini 擦出火花。這版本我覺得比Michelangeli, Kovacevich 都優勝,結合了兩個版本的優點。  
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=533
CKM
08-12-23
23:13:02
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Just like the Sibelius violin concerto, the best recordings of which are nearly all done with female violinists, the Elgar cello concerto is also best performed by female cellists, Beatrice Harrison, Jacqueline du Pre and Zara Nelsova. Harrison's performance is conducted by Elgar himself which the composer hailed as the best performance of the work in his life. Du Pre's incandescent reading with Barbariolli and the LSO is a classic though strangely her passion didn't go along but mixed very well with the melancholic feel of the work, it is somehow marred with too many wrong notes as always with Du Pre's. The perfect version is from the Queen of cellists, Zara Nelsova with Charles Groves and the BBC Symphony Orchestra.  
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-23
12:21:41
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且慢,此乃擂台重地,焉有未比武而定輸贏之理?  
 
雖則對手頑強,這邊廂亦不賴,有獨孤求敗 Christopher Parker 壓陣。要知鹿死誰手,還得下回分解。我閃...........  
 
 
limage
08-12-23
12:11:52
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Recording made on 27 April 1965 with Benny Goodman and the Columbia Jazz Ensemble conducted by Igor Stravinsky.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
cpsjj
08-12-23
11:43:37
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為因舉世無雙是也............................如斯美妙樂曲,何以僅此一套?  
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大膽狂徒,偷練本門神功,尚厚顏于此撒野。須知此神木協奏,乃本門不傳秘技,向由掌門親擇資優嫡系,入室面傳。淫賊所竊秘笈,純為身法,有其形而乏神。心經仍收於本門經閣。為免眾有志神功者受淫賊狐惑,現由本門祖師監督,嫡系高徒,人稱”搖擺之王 King of Swing”Benny Goodman親自示範,以正江湖視聽。神木協奏,乃祖師為長徒Woody Herman所譜,但為”搖擺之王”首演。現神功復出,再番演譯,乃武林之福。淫賊身為荀伯克魔教三代傳人,竊我經文,私練神功,卻廣傳十二音階下三檻魔技,實江湖敗類,武林之恥。眾徒速將淫賊拿下收押,矣立春之日,我教春之祭禮之時,宮刑祭天!  
 
cpsjj
08-12-23
11:28:58
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As a matter of fact, I have serious worries for fear that CP would bowl me over with at least a dozen of different recordings on the same repertoire, any time!  
 
limage
08-12-23
09:51:42
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嘩,等我從速尋找此絕世名碟,再來與大師討論。
CKM
08-12-23
09:32:15
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Morning CKM,  
 
It looks George must have missed my email. Is there any way you could help to pass the link of this web page to him?  
 
 
limage
08-12-23
09:29:28
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為因舉世無雙是也。買了此碟之後,便再從未碰過相同曲目了!說也奇怪,裡面收錄的兩首樂曲,節奏明快悅耳,極具爵士樂的即興魅力,錄音一流,動感幾可亂真。  
 
如斯美妙樂曲,何以僅此一套?  
 
不要小看封面素描,乃出自畢加索手筆啊!  
 
limage
08-12-22
22:59:28
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擂台用語:定位李,你的史達拉文斯基大碟有何特別,竟自稱皇牌,從速道來!
CKM
08-12-22
22:08:58
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Michelangeli 的寒冰指網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:35分鐘前  
 
Michelangeli 是個鋼琴怪傑,他個性極為嚴謹,故錄音極少,DG 有一盒Michelangeli 的全集,可算Michelangeli 的代表作。當中收錄了1979年Michelangeli 與Giulini 帶領Vienna Symphonica的貝多芬鋼琴協奏曲第五号現場錄音。  
 
Michelangeli 的音色優美極了,每一下琴音由極弱到極強都極為細緻,聽他的演奏時我會肅然起敬,因為我知道他的演奏是百分百跟足樂譜,不會加入一絲個人的情感,這是一個客觀的演奏。  
 
Michelangeli 音色美極了,但造句卻常常有欠流暢,第二樂章有欠温情,有如神鵰俠侶中的小龍女,武功高強,清純如玉,美極了也冷極了。  
 
Giulini 為這個錄音帶來一絲暖意,Vienna Symphonica 如天鵝絨的弦樂,具光輝的木管就像雪境中的温泉,Giulini 偏慢的速度使Michelangeli 得到更多空間發揮。  
 
 
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/chankaiming/article?mid=528
CKM
08-12-22
22:04:54
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誰是「帝皇」中的「帝皇」網誌分類:Beethoven | 網誌日期:2008-12-22 18:43  
說到鋼琴協奏曲中的「帝皇」,相信很多人都不會異議是貝多芬的第五号協奏曲,資深的樂迷都會知道「帝皇」這個名稱是後人所賦與的。貝多芬寫下他最後一首協奏曲時,巳是在當時薄有名氣的鋼琴家,但聽覺問題使他不能親自首演這首偉大的鋼琴協奏曲。最後由他的大弟子Czerny 首演。  
 
樂曲開章氣勢逼人,在第二樂章時卻又柔情似水,三樂章輕鬆跳皮,多年來各鋼琴家都視此曲為大師的試金石。我就找來1964-2002年錄音的六個版本來比拼一番,看看誰才是「大師父」。  
 
先上場的是錄音時初出道的Stephen Kovacevich與Colin Davis 帶領London Symphony Orchestra 在1969年的錄音,當時他年少氣盛,一出版即獲Gramophone 與Penguin guide 的好評,至今仍為Penguin Guide 三星帶花的首選,可謂盲拳打死老師父,Kovacevich 也一曲成名。  
 
Kovacevich 在第一樂章表現不俗,氣勢逼人之餘也不乏感人的時刻,但他的問題於觸鍵過於粗糙,有時會有含糊的情况,強奏時音色也較為生硬。第二樂章開章他觸鍵輕得我差點聽不到,但他之後具歌唱性的演奏將第二樂章的旋律奏得優美感人。第三樂章比較出色,跳脫生動。Colin Davis 的伴奏盡顯大師功架,速度不徐不疾,London Symphony Orchestra 的弦樂也比不上Vienna或Dresden。總的來說不乏青春火花但畧覺粗枝大葉。  
 
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CKM
08-12-22
21:22:12
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rcwy,  
 
Have heard of Du Pre's version with Barbirolli only, another version I found to be excellent is Fournier/Szell, probably my next topic in a short time.
CKM
08-12-22
21:20:57
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Upon playing this concerto, De Pre came to the zenith of her fame out of unprecedented critical acclaim and popular adulation.
limage
08-12-22
21:18:25