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回覆 (1022): Jriver vs jplay
I really don't like the w8 so far. As to the mc19, yes I gues better wait it out how others would say about the new upgrade before doing anything. æ£æè¬æ°ä¸å¦èåï¼é½åºçå®å ã
回覆 (1021): Jriver vs jplay
Better wait and see Pat. IT staff have the incurable habit of changing everything with only one purpose in mind â to screw you up.
That's what Window 8 is doing now!
回覆 (1020): Jriver vs jplay
Jriver MC-19 is just around the corner. Pre-order upgrade is $18.98 now. Will this is a good move ?
回覆 (1019): Jriver vs jplay
May be it is the dithering algorithm that you like when you use the internal volume control!
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Subsequent to innumerable A-B-ing and JPlay as the default processor, the JRiver Internal Volume along with 0.17 seconds of buffer would hereupon be used. So far this setting gives the best of musicality I could have achieved with CAS.
Great sound, menacing dynamics, velvety timbre, liquid strings and music all the way!
I have helped other buddies to fine-tune their settings on similar setup, i.e. JRiver/JPlay combo. It appears however that different audio systems do require slightly different settings to get the best out of the computer. It pays therefore to experiment with an open mind. You may perhaps come up with something better still. Possibilities surely abound.
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Yes, 0 db absolutely. When you can sit through an hour listening to pulse coded noise without the slightest sign of fatigue, you can't go wrong with the setting.
JRiver users, do give this Internal Volume a chance or else you would regret it.
回覆 (1015): Jriver vs jplay
when you said using Internal Volume output, i guess you are still setting the volume control at its max. position?
回覆 (1014): Jriver vs jplay
In theory, bit perfect output ought to be the ideal and if my system is anything to get by in terms of neutrality, why then going through a volume can be tonally better?
Can it be impedance matching, even in digital domain? Or simply added harmonic distortion at work?
回覆 (1013): Jriver vs jplay
I used to have the JRiver volume defeated (Disabled Volume) from day one out of the common belief to ensure as much as possible bit perfect transfer. With less than perfect recordings however there is a hint of dryness on mass strings, a blemish which I find rather disturbing. To my pleasant surprise, switching over to JRiver's Internal Volume has this problem largely resolved but then the price to pay is a considerable loss of incisiveness that renders good recordings stunningly real with breathtaking clarity.
In order to have the best of both worlds, last Sunday was spent fine-tuning the rest of the settings pursuant to the corresponding Disabled and Internal volume outputs.
It was a fierce little battle between the 2 modes:*
Disabled Volume with 0.47 second output buffer versus
Internal Volume with 0.17 output buffer
Everything being equal, the latter setting did seem to give me a sweeter sound more comfortable on the ear while retaining the hold on presence, finesse and transparency.
Need a few days more of listening tests over extensive materials to come to a valid conclusion.
* Disabled Volume means by-passing all volume control to allow bit-perfect streaming to the output, theoretically speaking that is. Internal Volume means going through JRiver’s 64 bit volume control without attenuation.
回覆 (1012): Jriver vs jplay
JPlay 選曲後足足有七秒才開始播放，夠晒時間坐定定，飲埋啖茶。故此暫時沒考慮到用 ipad 之類遙控器。
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"you referred to"
sorry about the typo
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The optical cable you refers to are SPDIF toslink or ADAT and has timing issues. The optical connection I am referring to is slightly different. Worth to try if it is available
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In the heyday of the CD reign, nearly all CD players came with optical output but as time went by, this output mode seemed to have disappeared completely.
I had compared a very elaborate optical output against a simple coaxial output from a Sony top notch CD player years ago and I ended up using the coaxial output exclusively. The reservation, therefore, is whether or not optical transmission is actually inferior in sonic quality despite its effective isolation from electrical influences.
I would be glad to have optical output too since it allows me to run a longer cable. USB cables longer than 2 meters would degrade the sound quite appreciably.
There is much to learn in the digital domain to verify how theoretical ideals may differ from practical applications.
回覆 (1004): Jriver vs jplay
Optical connection either with multimode or single mode receiver does provide excellent galvanic isolation from the noisy PC.
I am currently using this
If MDlover can implement optical connection within his DAC, then this will be the best option!!
回覆 (1003): Jriver vs jplay
it still works. there is nothing there to prevent you from using jplay with jriver. it is bullshit from jriver.
回覆 (1002): Jriver vs jplay
JRiver will not provide support for Media Center if Jplay is used.
What a pity since the two make such a perfect match! I wonder what new comers can do to combine convenience with musicality.
Would it be possible to get older versions of JRiver then?
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Thanked 199 Times in 109 Posts
雖然光電轉換一定也有 Noise and Jitter, AT&T ST 光纖在過去的幾部 DAC 上 (Wadia, Theta, dCS Elgar Plus) 已經體驗的聽感上，我總會給第ㄧ名。
也不太需要多傷腦筋哪一條 Glass Fiber 比較好聽 - 少去發燒線的玄學與神話。我對 Thunderbolt fiber 的確有類似的期待。
ST玻璃光纖是很棒的介面，Emmlabs DCC2 SE也有，我會找機會先試試M2tech Evo的ST光纖輸出，之後再試exD的converter的ST光纖輸出
回覆 (1000): Jriver vs jplay
if you run the latest update of jriver, you will see the below。
Jplay is a Hoax
JRiver recommends that you uninstall Jplay. It adds a layer of sound processing that can degrade sound quality, performance, and stability.
You will achieve the best sound quality with JRiver alone.
The author of the foobar player agrees.
For his computeraudiophile.com blog, Mitcho tested JRiver Media Center and Jplay. Both produce measurably identical bitperfect output.
For a more detailed discussion, please visit the HydrogenAudio Forum.
To protect its customers, JRiver will remove forum posts that discuss Jplay. JRiver will not provide support for Media Center if Jplay is used.
回覆 (999): CAS
C P Yip 兄:
現時我化繁為簡, 用一條長 HDMI 線代替原來想擁有的 iPhone + wireless Router 作為遙控. MDLover 及 Dr. King 及至 Harbeth 同好會的一些網友用 iPhone/iPAD 作為遙控已成為 "專家", 應該不太困難 set up 的.
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除了調校JPlay ，也得留意 JRiver setting 。相互间也有微妙的關係。大胆試，細心調便是了。
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前天试了新notebook，i7-3620 8G Ram，开始win8装不了usb driver，要做些手段才装好。
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Long time no see- Jeff. How are you?
回覆 (994): CAS
I have always been an itune fan as almost all CAS I heard before that use popular player like foobar simply sucks. On many occassions, I just asked for the same track to be played by itune and music came back.
Now, I have a new player in my radar with great potential (Jplay). Definitely worth looking into CAS again and take it seriously.
Very nice. :-)
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Ben came last evening to find out how the latest CAS is doing. He used to have itune running for years.
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As the french say "blanc de blancs", right!
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莫說 ultra ，單是 xtreme 已令音色乾到暈！
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站在 CAT 是追求超值且『極緻』的立場，我使用簽名檔討論串最新建構(將發表在電子雜誌第五期)的『聲音質感測試法』，可以非常客觀地證明 JPLAY 5.1 KS模式己經走偏了，ASIO 因為不能 H 所以不敢下定論。所以我強烈推薦的是 5.0b 的雙 CAT模式，5.1則是不推薦，原作者最推的 WIN8 + ULTRAXTREAM 則是『強烈不推薦』；詳情等我慢慢寫.....
慘了！JPLAY原作者對錄音與音響的鑑賞能力己經讓他們的程式遭遇瓶頸，這下子 5.0b 有可能成為絕唱！大家千萬要把這一版程式好好保存下來....
Limage 一早話不要貪揀最高模式，可能就是指這個ULTRAXTREAM 模式。
回覆 (989): CAS
Not in parallel to the sound！：)
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定位幫主昨日招待幾位 Harbeth 會成員... 聽幫主的定位大法+CAS.
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Not a problem, I was not in town that weekend anyway. There are always so much time for us to get around in future. Yes, please count me in this weekend Sat, but I guess you were saying 18th, right ?
I like to meet Victor for his specialty in digital music. More to learn from experts is often a great moment to hangout. I will call Patrick for Victor's home address. See you guys.
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, we missed you the last few gathering, we are meeting at Victor's home this coming sat 8th in Sunnyvale, hope you can join. Sorry since I no have your email, forgive my public posting. Cheers! Any one in the area are welcome to join, I will speak for victor :-)! Victor is all digital, there is nothing analogue in his house, well, except speaker I suppose ...
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This picture shows better. :)