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回覆 (68): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
am using Linn LP12 and SACD player as usual. Now I am adding a Pink Triangle Anniversary vinyl player to the list.  
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What arm you have attached to the LP12 and the PT? Anything interesting?
bobui
13-08-20
19:02:18
回覆 (67): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
What do you use to drive your front end  
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Hi, Eddie,  
 
Did you mean the source? I am using Linn LP12 and SACD player as usual. Now I am adding a Pink Triangle Anniversary vinyl player to the list.
dkyyu
13-08-20
16:48:26
回覆 (66): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
 
 
even excels the ESL in some departments ……. with tonnes of musically information  
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Congrats! That's what every one of us is looking for, isn't it?  
 
What do you use to drive your front end ?  
evp1312
13-08-20
14:51:16
回覆 (65): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Hi, morning King sir,  
 
The original stand of the first gen was said 39" tall, probably designed for display purpose.  
 
I guess the dispersion of Homage's tweeter (I believe it is Esoter) is working quite well on 35" stand which I am satisfied with. I will try it on a 24" Foundation later on.  
 
I think you will need to judge it yourself as you are a much taller chap than I am.
dkyyu
13-08-20
12:53:47
回覆 (64): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
 
>placed on its 35" tall stand <  
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Morning Dennis,  
 
Would that make the tweeters way higher than ear level in a sitting position? While it certainly looks good, the stand is probably taller than ideal!  
 
thekong
13-08-20
11:37:05
回覆 (63): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Hi all,  
 
I was using a pair of 60 watter Graaf modena OTL to drive the Homage. The sound was as clean as the ESL with extended treble ESL can't match. Intensity of musical informaiton of both are same par.  
 
In fact, the imaging from Homage was more focus and sharpened while the ESL63 was slightly more relaxing to listen to. When placed on its 35" tall stand 7 feet away from rear wall in my place, the sound stage of Homage is much wider and few feet highter than ESL63.  
 
Will report more in next week when return from overseas trip.
dkyyu
13-08-20
11:21:02
回覆 (62): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Personal experience is that the two speakers are different animals. One very neutral & the other pretty colored. But I might be wrong, as I heard them on different occasions & set ups, not side by side comparison.
Derek2A3
13-08-20
10:30:00
回覆 (61): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
 
 
even excels the ESL in some departments ……. with tonnes of musically information  
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Congrats! That's what every one of us is looking for, isn't it?  
 
What do you use to drive the Sonus Faber?  
 
 
limage
13-08-20
10:11:59
回覆 (60): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
 
Saw & heard a new model at CAS2013 last weekend. Beutiful to look at as usual and sound very nice too.  
 
 
 
Cadiver
13-08-20
00:34:48
回覆 (59): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
I have the sweet beauty home. Impressive performance. Sonic character closes to ESL63 and even excels the ESL in some departments most probably because of the Esotar tweetesr. Imaging is exceptionally good with tonnes of musically information.  
dkyyu
13-08-19
19:45:51
回覆 (58): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Thanks Nick,  
 
Not much information I can find today.
dkyyu
13-08-02
09:52:12
回覆 (57): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Hi Dennis,  
Think we all understood your query. The pair that you posted earlier in this thread are definitely not the 1st generation Guarneri Homage introduced in 1993 I'm afraid, the originals had a flatter front baffle & taller stands. But that doesn't mean the later models are inferior to their ancestors, so you shlould just be glad you bought yourself one of the most desirable bookshelves on the market.  
I have listened to some of Usher's diamond-domed monitors in their Taipei showroom, they are very very good & represent exceptional value at their asking price in Taiwan. Only problem is they need pretty big space to breathe properly.  
Nick
nicknick
13-08-02
01:14:56
回覆 (56): Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage 1st Gen
Nicknick hing,  
 
I think I made the topic confusing to all:  
 
1) The 1st gen SF should refer to their first model Electa, then followed by their Minima and Extrema.  
2) I was meant to raise my enquiry on the 1st gen SF Guarneri Homage, Sonus Faber 1st gen.  
 
Will any sifu to share their experience?  
 
I must apology for the error.
dkyyu
13-08-01
18:46:16
回覆 (55): Best sounding bookshelf on the panet
Any candidate in your mind amid all best known? Seriously.  
 
Do not blame the small ones by comparison with the big one, please
dkyyu
13-08-01
16:52:01
回覆 (54): Usher
I come to prefer auto-paint than wood veneer finishes more and more!  
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Me as well! Good taste! AE1 only option is the Matt black finish which is a No No. The Usher red shown below is very attractive. Especially if the speakers or hi fi object os modern style and not very large, auto-paint can be very exceptional. I like ah!  
 
 
 
bobui
13-08-01
16:35:14
回覆 (53): Usher
 
I come to prefer auto-paint than wood veneer finishes more and more!  
 
thekong
13-08-01
16:21:48
回覆 (52): Usher
Small can be beautiful!  
 
I want a pair of AE1. The MK1 is more than 20 years old. In MKIII now.
bobui
13-08-01
16:10:10
回覆 (52): Usher
You see, in contrast to the ESL 57, it is tricky to stack this small speaker due to the position of the speaker units. For good imaging, you probably want to keep the tweeters as close to each other as possible.  
 
So, the best you can do is stack 3 of them, with the one in the middle in a horizontal position! If you are crazy enough, you can double that in a mirror image mode, making it looks like a 十 per side.  
 
So 6 pairs total is doable! Come to think about it, it would look quite impressive indeed! :-)  
 
The price at the time was less than HK$2,000 per pair, so 6 pair still cost no more than a couple pairs of ESL57s! :-)  
 
thekong
13-08-01
16:08:25
回覆 (51): Usher
2 pairs ?  
 
I always expect triple stacking as a start from the demanding Evil Kong in view of the exceptional room height.  
 
By a glance of the size from your photo, I would suspect that you'll need six pairs as the starting point.
dkyyu
13-08-01
15:49:51
回覆 (50): Usher
>How come you've never mentioned you have or intention to own a pair. <  
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That was because I intended to get 2 pairs to stack them! :-)  
 
Look at Kris' pair here! I thinking of getting a pair in red and a pair in yellow. Sadly, the arrangement was somehow not successful.  
 
Seems like they only have black and white finish for this model now! :-(  
 
 
thekong
13-08-01
15:42:13
回覆 (49): Usher
even kris got a pair. Everybody knew la  
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I am so sorry. In this case, the Usher should deserve for a good place as contender in the shootout and 2 cases of beer.
dkyyu
13-08-01
15:22:07
回覆 (48): Usher
I have never heard of any member buying a pair in HK, US or UK except Feikeung today and King sir as well for serving his AV system  
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Dennis, even kris got a pair. Everybody knew la!  
 
You should prepare more beer & food for some info update.
Derek2A3
13-08-01
15:12:37
回覆 (47): Usher
Kong sir,  
 
I call this curious. How come you've never mentioned you have or intention to own a pair. I have never heard of any member buying a pair in HK, US or UK except Feikeung today and King sir as well for serving his AV system, where both are housed in mainland China.  
 
This is not convincing.
dkyyu
13-08-01
15:02:32
回覆 (46): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
 
>What the hell is this. Nobody in any hifi mag?<  
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Dennis,  
 
Nobody? I am afraid you are sadly mistaken; various models of Usher, including the BE718, have been highly rated by The Absolute Sound, Stereophile, and many other audio magazines.  
 
Just take a look at the list here:  
 
 
http://www.usheraudio.com/reviews-and-awards.html
thekong
13-08-01
14:47:16
回覆 (45): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
USHER Audio BE-718 Diamond  
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Feikeung hing,  
 
What the hell is this. Nobody in any hifi mag? or giant killer? Taiwanese? One review33 member once claimed using Usher as reference speaker in serious audio system and he was laughed off by others within a minutes.  
 
Post photo please, let me look look and chiu chiu.
dkyyu
13-08-01
14:26:04
回覆 (44): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
"Wicked and Evil" ----These terms really interest you or bother you? feikeung.  
 
How about the difference between "Pride and Prejudice"?
bobui
13-08-01
13:56:55
回覆 (43): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
>Seems like we are not 小喇叭 any more in this post. <  
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Told you that was not the main subject! :-)  
 
thekong
13-08-01
13:05:32
回覆 (42): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
Changing subject ?  
 
Seems like we are not 小喇叭 any more in this post.
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:56:50
回覆 (41): difference between "wicked" and "evil"
 
「邪惡」的級數  
 
風水師詐財千億案,判獄十二年。法官判詞:「無恥、邪惡,而出於舉世無匹之貪婪」。英文原文:shameless, wicked and born of unparalleled greed,中文傳媒譯為「邪惡、極度貪婪」。  
Wicked和Evil兩字畧有不同。Wicked之邪惡,是人性敗壞,Evil的邪惡,裏面有一層宗教的意思。凡有魔鬼撒旦影響的,就是Evil。到這一級,EviI的人,造成的禍害更大。  
狄更斯筆下的扒手集團首領費根(Fagin),利用小童在城市扒竊,這是wicked,但莎士比亞的伊亞高,出於嫉妒和無名的仇恨,對黑將軍挑撥離間,殺死他的美妻,毫無動機,只因為他仇視世上任何美好的事物,這是撒旦在顯靈,所以是Evil。  
英語世界因為基督教精神,邪惡有不同的字眼:Wicked是不帶宗教意味的,Satanic、Diabolical,都是邪惡,卻是不同凡間層次,上面是耶和華與撒旦的戰爭。  
中國文化沒有這樣二元對立的宗教,所以一個邪惡,沒有這許多花樣,傳遞的意思也不同。Wicked那種壞,是人性本身墮落至最低,但在人性之外尚有神和魔鬼未了的事情。米爾頓的長詩「失樂園」為西方文化的善惡觀定下一個基調,學英文難在這樣的地方。  
譬如中文叫「淫邪」,英文叫Voluptuous,有淫的意思,不見得「邪」。罵一個老頭子鹹濕,另有一句叫Dirty Old Man,又有取笑之意。十八世紀的歐洲是淫亂的百年,因為那是「古典主義」時期,神權雖有所減退,道德規範仍重,但只限於淫亂,無道德包袱,所以不邪。  
語文中有哲學和道德,都經千百年歷史軌跡的浸潤。意思和感覺不一樣,Unparalleled greed已經是很重的字眼,故此以Wicked相配即已足夠。都譯成中文,必都打個折扣。  
此所以東西方是不可能百分之百互相了解的。  
 
陶傑  
 
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/supplement/columnist/%E9%99%B6%E5%82%91/art/20130710/18328461
feikeung
13-08-01
12:50:36
回覆 (40): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
Lunch break la. Reader stay tune.
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:36:09
回覆 (39): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
Derek,  
 
Again, this is an understatement.
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:33:51
回覆 (38): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
No evil no Kong  
 
陰莖,陰莖
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:33:11
回覆 (38): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
Who's greedy here? Who can live with only a single pair of loud speakers, one power amp, one preamp, one CD player, one TT, one arm, one cartridge? May be that's why we are PKs!
Derek2A3
13-08-01
12:32:06
回覆 (38): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
saving 2 cases of emptied beer bottles for you from today.  
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No need la! Just join us for a HH and you can take as many emptied bottles for fiekeung as you like. In fact, there is one coming in fast, TODAY lor!  
 
How about I buy you beer. As many as you like!
bobui
13-08-01
12:31:07
回覆 (37): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
>Kong you now disclose your greedy mind<  
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Did I ever hide it?  
 
They call me evil, you know! Greedy is such an understatement! ;-)  
 
thekong
13-08-01
12:23:33
回覆 (36): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
I still remember the excellent water melon you served  
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La la la, Kong you now disclose your greedy mind. As you said, stay focus on cold beer. look no further.
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:13:29
回覆 (35): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
Feikeung,  
 
Smart move and a tough mission. I need to start up saving 2 cases of emptied beer bottles for you from today.
dkyyu
13-08-01
12:11:57
回覆 (34): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
>.......all come solely for the free drinks and refreshment<  
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I still remember the excellent water melon you served! :-)  
 
thekong
13-08-01
11:59:04
回覆 (33): 小喇叭擂台大比拼
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feikeung
13-08-01
11:55:42
回覆 (33): Sonus Faber 1st Gen
You are a gentle man ar ma  
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gentle---man? Unfortunately, we are all label as 這是個pk人的website. No exit to us all, poor man.  
 
Leave all refreshment arrangement to me la, I guess in late September or early Oct, depending on the arrival time of SF.  
 
I fully understand that who would bother about how the bookshelf sounds, all come solely for the free drinks and refreshment. Again from feikeung, I may look foolish but I am not stupid.  
 
dkyyu
13-08-01
11:53:18
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